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I think it's nuts how nobody seemed to care about this mass surveillance tool until it fell into the hands of the red party. "Just keep electing the blue party

I think it's nuts how nobody seemed to care about this mass surveillance tool until it fell into the hands of the red party. "Just keep electing the blue party" is not a convincing security posture.

toephu2 8mo ago
License plate readers are hardly mass surveillance. Why is no one in democratic countries complaining about mass surveillance? And I mean real cameras (not license plate readers) recording 24/7? I'm talking about UK, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.
- doomslayer999 8mo ago
  Because we in america tend to value individual liberties in a way that others don't. And yes of course LPR is mass surveillance. Cars should not even have to be registered.
  - toephu2 8mo ago
    They shouldn't even have license plates?? That leads to 0 accountibility. Would you like the government driving around in government vehicles doing hit and runs and having zero accountability? Or criminals for that matter?
    - doomslayer999 8mo ago
      We don't need it. You could say the same about any criminal act, doesn't mean we need to tag everyone with a face id.
- insane_dreamer 8mo ago
  unlike most Asian countries, individual freedom is the foundation on which American society has been built; it's why many people migrated to the US over the past 250 years LPRs are absolutely mass surveillance when used without proper legal restraints the legal restraints are the big difference between regular police, who operate without very specific boundaries to protect individual rights -- and ICE, who can do whatever they want with impunity. That's what separates "police" from "Gestapo".
insane_dreamer 8mo ago
maybe we didn't care as much because we didn't have gangs of armed Gestapo-like thugs roaming the streets and abusing or killing people, ripping families apart, unaccountable to the law, and spending billions to build new concentration camps; with this camera data being sold to said secret police. so, yeah, the stakes are different now. and if the "blue party" was the one pulling this shit I'd be just as mad

I think it's nuts how nobody seemed to care about this mass surveillance tool until it fell into the hands of the red party. "Just keep electing the blue party" is not a convincing security posture.

toephu2 8mo ago

License plate readers are hardly mass surveillance. Why is no one in democratic countries complaining about mass surveillance? And I mean real cameras (not license plate readers) recording 24/7? I'm talking about UK, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc.

doomslayer999 8mo ago
Because we in america tend to value individual liberties in a way that others don't. And yes of course LPR is mass surveillance. Cars should not even have to be registered.
- toephu2 8mo ago
  They shouldn't even have license plates?? That leads to 0 accountibility. Would you like the government driving around in government vehicles doing hit and runs and having zero accountability? Or criminals for that matter?
  - doomslayer999 8mo ago
    We don't need it. You could say the same about any criminal act, doesn't mean we need to tag everyone with a face id.
insane_dreamer 8mo ago
unlike most Asian countries, individual freedom is the foundation on which American society has been built; it's why many people migrated to the US over the past 250 years LPRs are absolutely mass surveillance when used without proper legal restraints the legal restraints are the big difference between regular police, who operate without very specific boundaries to protect individual rights -- and ICE, who can do whatever they want with impunity. That's what separates "police" from "Gestapo".

insane_dreamer 8mo ago

maybe we didn't care as much because we didn't have gangs of armed Gestapo-like thugs roaming the streets and abusing or killing people, ripping families apart, unaccountable to the law, and spending billions to build new concentration camps; with this camera data being sold to said secret police. so, yeah, the stakes are different now. and if the "blue party" was the one pulling this shit I'd be just as mad