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I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be

I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be on their death beds actually starving, and deny it was happening with their last breath.

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hirako2000 9mo ago
Could also say that over half the population finding such ridiculous mandates justifiable: lockdowns and demands that employers enforce vaccination compliance for all employees, ordoned non democratically by a senile; in a country with constitutional rights likely meant we would not see activists engaging in vandalism anytime soon.
- UltraSane 9mo ago
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- jibal 9mo ago
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  - hirako2000 9mo ago
    I was probably one of "you". My comment is simply calling out the liberticide episode we attended rather quietly.
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    - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
      After 2025, I don't think y'all get to say it's libertcide to wear a mask, sorry.
hn_throwaway_99 9mo ago
I had the same reaction. I thought things were getting bad before COVID, but I thought that, generally, when push came to shove, sanity would prevail. Herman Cain denied COVID's severity right up until it killed him, and them even after he died, his team was still tweeting that "looks like COVID isn't as bad as the mainstream media made it out to be." When I saw that people were literally willing to die to "own the libs", I knew shared reality was toast.
b00ty4breakfast 9mo ago
I disagree. You can escape a disease, even during a global pandemic. And not every person that got COVID was on a ventilator or even felt that bad. Seeing the death toll statistics and even the direct effects through a screen is not visceral for many folks. Starvation isn't avoidable and you can't ride it out. There isn't any chance that starving to death could be less severe than getting a bad flu. Nobody can avoid not eating for an extended period of time. If there is not enough food, it will affect everyone directly.
- oh_my_goodness 9mo ago
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- ABCLAW 9mo ago
  >I disagree. You can escape a disease, even during a global pandemic. And not every person that got COVID was on a ventilator or even felt that bad. Propaganda works. The knowledge worker class often believes their training will afford them some level of protection against it. Even then, with those warding effects, they're still susceptible. Consider further that most people in society are significantly less educated or trained in epistemological functions than they are - a large portion of society is defenseless against a liar with a megaphone. Propaganda won't contest that starvation is occurring. It will claim that the reason for the starvation is a specific foe, internal or external e.g. It's China's fault we're starving or the immigrants have caused this food security crisis and once they're gone we'll have enough food for our own people, etc. They'll workshop and see which ones poll well, then run with the talking point that seems to perform best. Since the government harnessing that discontent has no real desire to fix that problem, all they need to do is maintain the perception that they're the solution, while not addressing the problem itself.
  - maest 9mo ago
    Slightly off topic, but this strategy of blaming a crisis on some other cause is pervasive. It's especially useful when you are the reason for the crisis. For example, consider climate change. Climate change causes draughts, which causes food shortages in countries heavily dependent on their agricultural sector. This, in turn, causes famine. A certain western power will blame that country's government for mismanaging their agricultural sector instead of pointing out the unusual and dramatic weather changes contributed to the famine. This is, of course, because the western power does not publicly admit climate change is real in order to avoid taking any responsibility for their contribution to this climate change.
TuringNYC 9mo ago
>> I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be on their death beds actually starving, and deny it was happening with their last breath. We're in a K-Shaped Economy right now and half the folks will deny there is any K and insist everything is amazing.
slopinthebag 9mo ago
People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax either so I'm not sure how that's a relevant analogy. The response to Covid was far more disruptive to my life than the disease itself, which would obviously not be the case with starvation.
- singleshot_ 9mo ago
  > weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax Have you treated many patients with COVID? I’ve heard the opposite of your claim from those who have.
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    People with first hand experience offering counterpoints like Dr Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi did but unfortunately their videos explaining their side of the story were conveniently removed from places your YouTube -- while conveniently leaving the videos remaining to hear the kind of stories you heard.
    - Retric 9mo ago
      Step back a moment and ask yourself, “How exactly would Dr Dan Erickson know if someone else’s patient said this?” There was massive regional differences in how different parts of the country and even different parts of the same state responded to COVID.
    - defrost 9mo ago
      The issue was their extrapolation of their local keyhole perception to the entire country. Flawed in many ways: https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles...
    - singleshot_ 9mo ago
      Was this a yes or a no?
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hirako2000 9mo ago

Could also say that over half the population finding such ridiculous mandates justifiable: lockdowns and demands that employers enforce vaccination compliance for all employees, ordoned non democratically by a senile; in a country with constitutional rights likely meant we would not see activists engaging in vandalism anytime soon.

UltraSane 9mo ago
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jibal 9mo ago
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- hirako2000 9mo ago
  I was probably one of "you". My comment is simply calling out the liberticide episode we attended rather quietly.
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  - johnnyanmac 9mo ago
    After 2025, I don't think y'all get to say it's libertcide to wear a mask, sorry.

hn_throwaway_99 9mo ago

I had the same reaction. I thought things were getting bad before COVID, but I thought that, generally, when push came to shove, sanity would prevail. Herman Cain denied COVID's severity right up until it killed him, and them even after he died, his team was still tweeting that "looks like COVID isn't as bad as the mainstream media made it out to be." When I saw that people were literally willing to die to "own the libs", I knew shared reality was toast.

b00ty4breakfast 9mo ago

I disagree. You can escape a disease, even during a global pandemic. And not every person that got COVID was on a ventilator or even felt that bad. Seeing the death toll statistics and even the direct effects through a screen is not visceral for many folks. Starvation isn't avoidable and you can't ride it out. There isn't any chance that starving to death could be less severe than getting a bad flu. Nobody can avoid not eating for an extended period of time. If there is not enough food, it will affect everyone directly.

oh_my_goodness 9mo ago
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ABCLAW 9mo ago
>I disagree. You can escape a disease, even during a global pandemic. And not every person that got COVID was on a ventilator or even felt that bad. Propaganda works. The knowledge worker class often believes their training will afford them some level of protection against it. Even then, with those warding effects, they're still susceptible. Consider further that most people in society are significantly less educated or trained in epistemological functions than they are - a large portion of society is defenseless against a liar with a megaphone. Propaganda won't contest that starvation is occurring. It will claim that the reason for the starvation is a specific foe, internal or external e.g. It's China's fault we're starving or the immigrants have caused this food security crisis and once they're gone we'll have enough food for our own people, etc. They'll workshop and see which ones poll well, then run with the talking point that seems to perform best. Since the government harnessing that discontent has no real desire to fix that problem, all they need to do is maintain the perception that they're the solution, while not addressing the problem itself.
- maest 9mo ago
  Slightly off topic, but this strategy of blaming a crisis on some other cause is pervasive. It's especially useful when you are the reason for the crisis. For example, consider climate change. Climate change causes draughts, which causes food shortages in countries heavily dependent on their agricultural sector. This, in turn, causes famine. A certain western power will blame that country's government for mismanaging their agricultural sector instead of pointing out the unusual and dramatic weather changes contributed to the famine. This is, of course, because the western power does not publicly admit climate change is real in order to avoid taking any responsibility for their contribution to this climate change.

TuringNYC 9mo ago

>> I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be on their death beds actually starving, and deny it was happening with their last breath. We're in a K-Shaped Economy right now and half the folks will deny there is any K and insist everything is amazing.

slopinthebag 9mo ago

People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax either so I'm not sure how that's a relevant analogy. The response to Covid was far more disruptive to my life than the disease itself, which would obviously not be the case with starvation.

singleshot_ 9mo ago
> weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax Have you treated many patients with COVID? I’ve heard the opposite of your claim from those who have.
- mothballed 9mo ago
  People with first hand experience offering counterpoints like Dr Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi did but unfortunately their videos explaining their side of the story were conveniently removed from places your YouTube -- while conveniently leaving the videos remaining to hear the kind of stories you heard.
  - Retric 9mo ago
    Step back a moment and ask yourself, “How exactly would Dr Dan Erickson know if someone else’s patient said this?” There was massive regional differences in how different parts of the country and even different parts of the same state responded to COVID.
  - defrost 9mo ago
    The issue was their extrapolation of their local keyhole perception to the entire country. Flawed in many ways: https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19-alert/covid-19-articles...
  - singleshot_ 9mo ago
    Was this a yes or a no?
- 8mo ago