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> I wasn't able to come up with people who claim that they were actually scammed, i.e. paid for a product that wasn't delivered or made an investment into somet

> I wasn't able to come up with people who claim that they were actually scammed, i.e. paid for a product that wasn't delivered or made an investment into something that doesn't exist. I'm gonna ask the other way around. Name one successful product by the CEO that has reached mass production and you can get it right now.

jusssi 8mo ago
Well, AppGyver was real. SAP bought it, it's now called SAP Build. Don't know how successful it was/is as a product though.
- szmarczak 8mo ago
  See my other comment [1]. There's dozen of failed products. That one AppGyver product is from 15 years ago. Since then, he hasn't created any other product. The motorcycle however is real. The battery may also be. The issue with Solid State Batteries is that it's almost impossible to scale them. The guy changes the industry he's in as often to match what's currently popular. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129369
  - mrtksn 8mo ago
    Failed startup isn’t a scam, to be a scam it needs to be presented in a way that is designed to collect money but that money be used for something else. Otherwise YC would have been scam center, very few of YC companies don’t fail.
mrtksn 8mo ago
That’s ridiculous, neither making your first product nor failing is scamming. In this particular case you can buy motorbikes and sport cars made using electric motors from the same company that makes this battery. So at least 1 real product that I know of.
- szmarczak 8mo ago
  You cannot buy them. Have you visited their website? The way this works, you pay a non-refundable fee. And if this motorcycle turns out to be real, then you get to pay the rest amount (or cancel and lose some money). Because they manufactured a few units doesn't mean it's scalable (or profitable).
  - mrtksn 8mo ago
    The motorbikes are not new, there are people who bought them and are using them. Switching to the new battery is new but those bikes with motors from this company exist. I think you need to do your research before arguing further.
    - szmarczak 8mo ago
      If your research is YouTube then I'm sorry to disappoint you but those people are affiliated with Verge (or Donut). I don't think there's a single video where someone gives a review and they paid using all their own money, is there? Have you done your research before you started arguing the CEO is legit?
      - mrtksn 8mo ago
        Your other posts are accusations about people and apparently you go after them on other sites too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46638491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46638491 I’m pretty sure if I keep pushing you enough eventually you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what. This means that your opinions should not to be taken seriously as your motivations are unclear. You should consider having a different hobby.
        szmarczak 8mo ago
        Yea sure Immich taking zero responsibility for possibly causing damages in hundreds of dollars and not warning their uses is fair, yeah, let them go. Maybe actually read the issues before judging? (oh noes, he blame them so he must be bad!) [1] https://szmarczak.com/immich.png https://szmarczak.com/immich.png [2] https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/25283 https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/25283 > you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what I have never accused you of anything but lack of information. I don't get where you're coming from.

jusssi 8mo ago

Well, AppGyver was real. SAP bought it, it's now called SAP Build. Don't know how successful it was/is as a product though.

szmarczak 8mo ago
See my other comment [1]. There's dozen of failed products. That one AppGyver product is from 15 years ago. Since then, he hasn't created any other product. The motorcycle however is real. The battery may also be. The issue with Solid State Batteries is that it's almost impossible to scale them. The guy changes the industry he's in as often to match what's currently popular. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47129369
- mrtksn 8mo ago
  Failed startup isn’t a scam, to be a scam it needs to be presented in a way that is designed to collect money but that money be used for something else. Otherwise YC would have been scam center, very few of YC companies don’t fail.

mrtksn 8mo ago

That’s ridiculous, neither making your first product nor failing is scamming. In this particular case you can buy motorbikes and sport cars made using electric motors from the same company that makes this battery. So at least 1 real product that I know of.

szmarczak 8mo ago
You cannot buy them. Have you visited their website? The way this works, you pay a non-refundable fee. And if this motorcycle turns out to be real, then you get to pay the rest amount (or cancel and lose some money). Because they manufactured a few units doesn't mean it's scalable (or profitable).
- mrtksn 8mo ago
  The motorbikes are not new, there are people who bought them and are using them. Switching to the new battery is new but those bikes with motors from this company exist. I think you need to do your research before arguing further.
  - szmarczak 8mo ago
    If your research is YouTube then I'm sorry to disappoint you but those people are affiliated with Verge (or Donut). I don't think there's a single video where someone gives a review and they paid using all their own money, is there? Have you done your research before you started arguing the CEO is legit?
    - mrtksn 8mo ago
      Your other posts are accusations about people and apparently you go after them on other sites too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46638491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46638491 I’m pretty sure if I keep pushing you enough eventually you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what. This means that your opinions should not to be taken seriously as your motivations are unclear. You should consider having a different hobby.
      - szmarczak 8mo ago
        Yea sure Immich taking zero responsibility for possibly causing damages in hundreds of dollars and not warning their uses is fair, yeah, let them go. Maybe actually read the issues before judging? (oh noes, he blame them so he must be bad!) [1] https://szmarczak.com/immich.png https://szmarczak.com/immich.png [2] https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/25283 https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/25283 > you’ll will make your life about going after me accusing me of who knows what I have never accused you of anything but lack of information. I don't get where you're coming from.