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Especially if they are older, like 8+ years old. They are resourceful, sneaky and relentless.

aleph_minus_one 8mo ago
> They are resourceful, sneaky and relentless. ... and honest: - they will honestly tell you that they'd be very happy to see you dead when you impose restrictions upon them (people who are older will of course possibly get into legal trouble for such a statement) - they will tell they they wish you'd never have given birth to them (or aborted them) - they will tell you that since they never wanted to be born, they owe you nothing - ...
- squigz 8mo ago
  Sounds like a kid in need of psychiatric help.
  - aleph_minus_one 8mo ago
    You barely ever had to deal with pubescent children? :-)
    - squigz 8mo ago
      I mean, that's really not normal puberty stuff, but... okay.
    - hunterpayne 8mo ago
      I raised kids. Never had to deal with anything like what is described. Sounds like someone read some questionable books on parenting, unfortunately followed the bad advice in those books and this is the result. And this entire thing is about bad parenting. Its always easier to just give the kid a tablet and go back to whatever you were doing. Its always better to actually interact with the kid. That trade-off of time is important because if you mess up when they are young, you spend a lot more time handling issues later on. That time you gained by giving them a tablet will get payed back someday, usually with interest. That's what is happening here.
    - bryan_w 7mo ago
      Please get the kids some help before we have to send you thoughts and prayers
cgriswald 8mo ago
Which is exactly why all people everywhere giving up their privacy will also be ineffective. Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography were all illegal for me to access as a kid but I wouldn’t have had any trouble getting any of it.
- sarchertech 8mo ago
  Maybe at 16, not at 8.
  - cgriswald 8mo ago
    The older kids are often the easy source for the younger kids. At 8 I had already seen a Playboy and knew kids who had seen harder stuff. I could have easily gotten a teenager to get me cigarettes (and drugs, but I didn’t know what those were really). I had also already tasted alcohol. Any of this I could have stolen from any number of places. At 16 it was easier, but at 8 it wasn’t hard.
    - sarchertech 8mo ago
      There’s a difference between “saw a playboy once” and having regular or semi regular access to it. Same goes for alcohol and cigarettes. If you had regular access to those things you had parents who didn’t care. It’s also not about kids on the margin. The vast majority of 8 year olds have not tried alcohol, drugs, or cigarettes.
      - cgriswald 7mo ago
        There’s also a difference between “saw my first” and “saw a playboy once.” I need you to understand I was a good kid whose parents cared until they divorced some years later. And yet I had multiple sources of access to this stuff without looking for it. Now, as an adult, I can see more ways I could have gotten it if I wanted it.
        sarchertech 7mo ago

> They are resourceful, sneaky and relentless. ... and honest: - they will honestly tell you that they'd be very happy to see you dead when you impose restrictions upon them (people who are older will of course possibly get into legal trouble for such a statement) - they will tell they they wish you'd never have given birth to them (or aborted them) - they will tell you that since they never wanted to be born, they owe you nothing - ...

squigz 8mo ago
Sounds like a kid in need of psychiatric help.
- aleph_minus_one 8mo ago
  You barely ever had to deal with pubescent children? :-)
  - squigz 8mo ago
    I mean, that's really not normal puberty stuff, but... okay.
  - hunterpayne 8mo ago
    I raised kids. Never had to deal with anything like what is described. Sounds like someone read some questionable books on parenting, unfortunately followed the bad advice in those books and this is the result. And this entire thing is about bad parenting. Its always easier to just give the kid a tablet and go back to whatever you were doing. Its always better to actually interact with the kid. That trade-off of time is important because if you mess up when they are young, you spend a lot more time handling issues later on. That time you gained by giving them a tablet will get payed back someday, usually with interest. That's what is happening here.
  - bryan_w 7mo ago
    Please get the kids some help before we have to send you thoughts and prayers

cgriswald 8mo ago

Which is exactly why all people everywhere giving up their privacy will also be ineffective. Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography were all illegal for me to access as a kid but I wouldn’t have had any trouble getting any of it.

sarchertech 8mo ago
Maybe at 16, not at 8.
- cgriswald 8mo ago
  The older kids are often the easy source for the younger kids. At 8 I had already seen a Playboy and knew kids who had seen harder stuff. I could have easily gotten a teenager to get me cigarettes (and drugs, but I didn’t know what those were really). I had also already tasted alcohol. Any of this I could have stolen from any number of places. At 16 it was easier, but at 8 it wasn’t hard.
  - sarchertech 8mo ago
    There’s a difference between “saw a playboy once” and having regular or semi regular access to it. Same goes for alcohol and cigarettes. If you had regular access to those things you had parents who didn’t care. It’s also not about kids on the margin. The vast majority of 8 year olds have not tried alcohol, drugs, or cigarettes.
    - cgriswald 7mo ago
      There’s also a difference between “saw my first” and “saw a playboy once.” I need you to understand I was a good kid whose parents cared until they divorced some years later. And yet I had multiple sources of access to this stuff without looking for it. Now, as an adult, I can see more ways I could have gotten it if I wanted it.
      - sarchertech 7mo ago