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Step 0 is physical device access. Kids shouldn't have tablets or smartphones or personal laptops before age 16.

by duped 8mo ago

raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
This is the craziest thing I’ve heard in a while. They shouldn’t have connected game systems either?
- numbsafari 8mo ago
  No, because those devices have little or no controls and those controls are easily bypassed and/or not honored by the platform.
- mghackerlady 8mo ago
  I think they should. Theres a fine line between beneficial and detrimental. I had a 3DS growing up and could browse the web with its very gimped browser, and I think something like that is actually very good for a child (able to access the internet and view simple and informative sites while being too limited to access social media and the like)
- trashb 8mo ago
  Have you ever visited any game store and turned off nsfw protection? I love gaming, but I hate all the smutt games. It discredits the medium, essentially what has also happened to anime.
  - rkomorn 8mo ago
    I'm kinda baffled about the Switch store's quantity of dating/whatever adult-ish games. I don't really want to turn on age-based filters (to the point that I've never investigated if they even exist) but at this rate, there's hardly anything worth looking at in the recent feed.
    - WorldPeas 8mo ago
      The target demographics for Nintendo products have shifted from kids to.. kidults? Most kids nowadays play on phones or in rarer cases PC/Xbox, Nintendo's lost much of their cache (in my visible experience) save for children parented by the "mindful milennial" types
      - rkomorn 8mo ago
        Makes sense but there's just... so much of it. That and all the shovelware. It's just hard to imagine that's anything close to what Nintendo wants users to experience, but I guess they need the money.
        WorldPeas 8mo ago
        They really could find a niche in making phones for kids that have walled-garden internet access, they were so good at doing so with the ds but alas..
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- duped 8mo ago
  The problem is unrestricted access to mobile devices. A game console or desktop PC isn't as big of a deal.
  - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
    What’s the difference? They all reach the same internet
mghackerlady 8mo ago
16 is a bit steep but I do generally agree with your sentiment. I wish there were more educational home computers like there were back in the day like the BBC micro. I have a startup idea to make something like that (mostly as a dumping ground for my plethora of OS-software and computer education ideas) but don't currently have the resources and have doubts on how successful something like that would even be in this day and age. I'm only 18ish (Not giving my actual age for privacy reasons but it's within a 5 year margin) and feel like my peers would rather be locked to platforms and consume than learn to create and actually use computers despite there being a very obvious need (I once had a 20 year old look at me like I had 2 heads for asking them to move something into a folder)
aleph_minus_one 8mo ago
> Kids shouldn't have tablets or smartphones or personal laptops before age 16. If you make such a restriction, they'll secretly buy some cheap "unrestricted" device like some Raspberry Pi (just like earlier generations bought their secret "boob magazines").
- hellojesus 8mo ago
  Parents should have an allowlist of devices to be able to join their network. And then they can require root certs or something for access outside of a narrow allow list. There's a host of ways to solve both problems. Just remember to check for hardware keyloggers on your (the parents') devices, as kids could use them or try evil maid attacks, etc. if they feel totally encaged.
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  - aleph_minus_one 8mo ago
    This will only work in practice if one of the parents is a network technician. :-)
- duped 8mo ago
  I've said it before but prohibition works, if the goal is to reduce usage. I don't see this as a realistic problem.
logicchains 8mo ago
I hope they do pass a law like that, because it'd give my kids a gigantic advantage over the kids who had no access modern technology and the free flow of information until the age of 16. If you want to leave your kids completely unable to find any kind of gainful employment in the AI era, be my guest.
- butterbomb 8mo ago
  > If you want to leave your kids completely unable to find any kind of gainful employment in the AI era, be my guest. Your kid is screwed either way. Unless he moves to India.
GaryBluto 8mo ago
Today's young people are already technologically retarded (in the literal sense) and barely know how to use Microsoft Word or navigate with a file explorer, this would make the problem significantly worse.
sanitycheck 8mo ago
I bet not many of us would be here now if we hadn't had our own computers before age 16.

Step 0 is physical device access. Kids shouldn't have tablets or smartphones or personal laptops before age 16.

by duped 8mo ago

Step 0 is physical device access. Kids shouldn't have tablets or smartphones or personal laptops before age 16.

raw_anon_1111 8mo ago

This is the craziest thing I’ve heard in a while. They shouldn’t have connected game systems either?

numbsafari 8mo ago
No, because those devices have little or no controls and those controls are easily bypassed and/or not honored by the platform.
mghackerlady 8mo ago
I think they should. Theres a fine line between beneficial and detrimental. I had a 3DS growing up and could browse the web with its very gimped browser, and I think something like that is actually very good for a child (able to access the internet and view simple and informative sites while being too limited to access social media and the like)
trashb 8mo ago
Have you ever visited any game store and turned off nsfw protection? I love gaming, but I hate all the smutt games. It discredits the medium, essentially what has also happened to anime.
- rkomorn 8mo ago
  I'm kinda baffled about the Switch store's quantity of dating/whatever adult-ish games. I don't really want to turn on age-based filters (to the point that I've never investigated if they even exist) but at this rate, there's hardly anything worth looking at in the recent feed.
  - WorldPeas 8mo ago
    The target demographics for Nintendo products have shifted from kids to.. kidults? Most kids nowadays play on phones or in rarer cases PC/Xbox, Nintendo's lost much of their cache (in my visible experience) save for children parented by the "mindful milennial" types
    - rkomorn 8mo ago
      Makes sense but there's just... so much of it. That and all the shovelware. It's just hard to imagine that's anything close to what Nintendo wants users to experience, but I guess they need the money.
      - WorldPeas 8mo ago
        They really could find a niche in making phones for kids that have walled-garden internet access, they were so good at doing so with the ds but alas..
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duped 8mo ago
The problem is unrestricted access to mobile devices. A game console or desktop PC isn't as big of a deal.
- raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
  What’s the difference? They all reach the same internet

mghackerlady 8mo ago

16 is a bit steep but I do generally agree with your sentiment. I wish there were more educational home computers like there were back in the day like the BBC micro. I have a startup idea to make something like that (mostly as a dumping ground for my plethora of OS-software and computer education ideas) but don't currently have the resources and have doubts on how successful something like that would even be in this day and age. I'm only 18ish (Not giving my actual age for privacy reasons but it's within a 5 year margin) and feel like my peers would rather be locked to platforms and consume than learn to create and actually use computers despite there being a very obvious need (I once had a 20 year old look at me like I had 2 heads for asking them to move something into a folder)

aleph_minus_one 8mo ago

> Kids shouldn't have tablets or smartphones or personal laptops before age 16. If you make such a restriction, they'll secretly buy some cheap "unrestricted" device like some Raspberry Pi (just like earlier generations bought their secret "boob magazines").

hellojesus 8mo ago
Parents should have an allowlist of devices to be able to join their network. And then they can require root certs or something for access outside of a narrow allow list. There's a host of ways to solve both problems. Just remember to check for hardware keyloggers on your (the parents') devices, as kids could use them or try evil maid attacks, etc. if they feel totally encaged.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- aleph_minus_one 8mo ago
  This will only work in practice if one of the parents is a network technician. :-)
duped 8mo ago
I've said it before but prohibition works, if the goal is to reduce usage. I don't see this as a realistic problem.

logicchains 8mo ago

I hope they do pass a law like that, because it'd give my kids a gigantic advantage over the kids who had no access modern technology and the free flow of information until the age of 16. If you want to leave your kids completely unable to find any kind of gainful employment in the AI era, be my guest.

butterbomb 8mo ago
> If you want to leave your kids completely unable to find any kind of gainful employment in the AI era, be my guest. Your kid is screwed either way. Unless he moves to India.

GaryBluto 8mo ago

Today's young people are already technologically retarded (in the literal sense) and barely know how to use Microsoft Word or navigate with a file explorer, this would make the problem significantly worse.

sanitycheck 8mo ago

I bet not many of us would be here now if we hadn't had our own computers before age 16.