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The older sibling should be old enough to know better. Or if they're still a kid, they can have their privileges temporarily revoked. This problem probably can

The older sibling should be old enough to know better. Or if they're still a kid, they can have their privileges temporarily revoked. This problem probably can't be solved entirely technologically, but technology can definitely be a part of solving it. I'm sure it's possible to make parental controls that most kids can't bypass, because companies can make DRM that most adults can't bypass.

Aurornis 8mo ago
> The older sibling should be old enough to know better. This is exactly what I meant by my above comment: It’s like the pro-ID check commenters have become completely disconnected from how young people work. Someone’s 18 year old sibling isn’t going to be stopped by “should know better”. They probably disagree with the law on principal and think it’s dumb, so they’re just helping out.
- armchairhacker 8mo ago
  True, hence the culture shift is necessary. But imagine if a locked device was treated like alcohol. Most kids get access to alcohol at some point despite it being illegal, often from older siblings, and rarely with legal consequences for the adult. But it's much less of an issue, because most kids don't get it consistently. Furthermore, "good" kids understand that it's bad, and even some "bad" kids understand that they must limit themselves.
  - exodust 8mo ago
    > "culture shift is necessary" Is it though? When older sibling helps younger sibling with "accessing Steam", or something reasonable like that, even the most sensible and thoughtful older sibling won't be interested in "culture shifts" that block gaming fun. The alcohol and seatbelt analogies try to elevate equivalence, but miss the mark by a lot. Even one drop of alcohol is obviously not suitable for underage. No seatbelt increases risk no matter your age. "Social media" exposure for the young person is often completely fine and full of "young person" content and activity.
kmijyiyxfbklao 8mo ago
>Or if they're still a kid, they can have their privileges temporarily revoked. Since people are already talking about using the law instead of parenting this needs clarification. Are the parents the one that would revoke their privileges or the government?
- armchairhacker 8mo ago
  The parents. They're the ones who configure the parental controls. e.g. if their 15-year old gets caught sharing his device with their 7-year old, they can temporarily give him 7-year old permissions as punishment.

Aurornis 8mo ago

> The older sibling should be old enough to know better. This is exactly what I meant by my above comment: It’s like the pro-ID check commenters have become completely disconnected from how young people work. Someone’s 18 year old sibling isn’t going to be stopped by “should know better”. They probably disagree with the law on principal and think it’s dumb, so they’re just helping out.

armchairhacker 8mo ago
True, hence the culture shift is necessary. But imagine if a locked device was treated like alcohol. Most kids get access to alcohol at some point despite it being illegal, often from older siblings, and rarely with legal consequences for the adult. But it's much less of an issue, because most kids don't get it consistently. Furthermore, "good" kids understand that it's bad, and even some "bad" kids understand that they must limit themselves.
- exodust 8mo ago
  > "culture shift is necessary" Is it though? When older sibling helps younger sibling with "accessing Steam", or something reasonable like that, even the most sensible and thoughtful older sibling won't be interested in "culture shifts" that block gaming fun. The alcohol and seatbelt analogies try to elevate equivalence, but miss the mark by a lot. Even one drop of alcohol is obviously not suitable for underage. No seatbelt increases risk no matter your age. "Social media" exposure for the young person is often completely fine and full of "young person" content and activity.

kmijyiyxfbklao 8mo ago

>Or if they're still a kid, they can have their privileges temporarily revoked. Since people are already talking about using the law instead of parenting this needs clarification. Are the parents the one that would revoke their privileges or the government?

armchairhacker 8mo ago
The parents. They're the ones who configure the parental controls. e.g. if their 15-year old gets caught sharing his device with their 7-year old, they can temporarily give him 7-year old permissions as punishment.