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The problem is not that we aren’t doing age verification, it’s that a group of authoritarians are trying to force mandatory implementation of age verification (
by iamnothere 8mo ago
The problem is not that we aren’t doing age verification, it’s that a group of authoritarians are trying to force mandatory implementation of age verification (and concomitant removal of anonymity). That’s the problem.
- Noaidi 8mo agoAnonymity is a myth. I am sure by now an LLM can figure out who you are and where you live by your HN posts alone.
- iamnothere 8mo agoDo it then
- Noaidi 8mo agoI nave never, and will never, use AI on my own accord.
- Noaidi 8mo agoHey, iamnothere, look at this! https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.16800 https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.16800 "We show that large language models can be used to perform at-scale deanonymization. With full Internet access, our agent can re-identify Hacker News users and Anthropic Interviewer participants at high precision, given pseudonymous online profiles and conversations alone, matching what would take hours for a dedicated human investigator. "
- Seattle3503 8mo agoIt seems like the solution is to provide an age verification mechanism with robust privacy protections. That way when we offer a solution that works for all of their states concerns, if they disagree with the privacy preserving approach we force them to say outright "I want to keep a record of every website you visit."
- summm 8mo agoUnfortunately not. They will use even the most privacy preserving protocol to push remote attestation of end devices. Which in itself is a stepping stone making their next steps much easier.
- Seattle3503 8mo agoWhy would they say that is necessary?
- summm 8mo agoThey actually already do in the EUDI wallet reference implementation. There, as this is part of a more general ID system, they probably want to avoid that people duplicate or export IDs. In case of a privacy preserving age check, the fear could be that a copied private key could be enough to generate unlimited age proofs, indistinguishable from the original app instance. In another thread someone gave an even lazier argument: the eudi wallet requires hw backed keys by law regardless, and the laziest implementation would be device attestation...
- Seattle3503 8mo agoHrm that does seem suboptimal. There have got to be better approaches available to us through cryptography.
- meowface 8mo agoI don't understand how such a thing could be possible. Privacy is inherently gone, even if the third party doesn't learn your real name.