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> They also published the report here: https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_00092_26.pdf https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.d

> They also published the report here: https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_00092_26.pdf https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_0... That's the same link. Is there a way to attest that this is an official VTT report?

mrtksn 7mo ago
Sorry, I was trying to compose a post but I was a minute late so copy-pasted the content as a comment and forgot to adopt. Removing the redundant link. Thanks. BTW, the people who conducted the test appear to be on LinkedIn. I guess its pretty easy to confirm if the test on the company site is authentic.
andor 7mo ago
The PDF is digitally signed with a cert from the Finnish „Digital and Population Data Services Agency“
- hipsdontlie 7mo ago
  Unfortunately that's not the same as VTT. VTT would be more like "National Institute of Scientific Research"
  - mrtksn 7mo ago
    It says its sign by this guy: https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/petri-soderena-takes-lead-developing-transportation-research https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/petri-soderena... He has an e-mail address and a phone number, I doubt that if the report is falsified it won't come out.
    - hipsdontlie 7mo ago
      I just found a video of the same guy selling some magical AGI thing 9 months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8 Promising the moon and stars just like with Donut. Donut Labs also had a video presentation of some kind of automotive design software that also sounded too good to be true. This guy is a serial scammer.
      - mrtksn 7mo ago
        Elon Musk sells self driving cars since 10 years that don't self drive but his cars are actually decent cars and his rockets are revolutionary. Also, who isn't selling magical AGI since the last 4 years? I think i will judge the battery and the magical AGI separately. The guy also sells magical motors that appear to be real with people riding motorbikes with those motors.
  - swongel 7mo ago
    Well there's this press release they would publish a report: https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-commissioned-vtt-carry-out-battery-measurements-support-its-product https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-comm... with as author the same name on the digital signature "Petri Söderena" for Organisation "Teknologian tutkimuskeskus VTT" and the chain is attested by "DVV Organisational Certificates - G4E" which is on the EU/EEA trusted list: https://eidas.ec.europa.eu/efda/trust-services/browse/eidas/tls/tl/FI/tsp/1/service/15 https://eidas.ec.europa.eu/efda/trust-services/browse/eidas/... (by name and key signature). Looks like a legit VTT document to me.
- rmu09 7mo ago
  I think it is safe to assume, given the buzz all around the donut battery, that VTT would immediately release a statement if this report was fake. edit: https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-commissioned-vtt-carry-out-battery-measurements-support-its-product https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-comm...
jusssi 7mo ago
The person whose signature is on it, is listed on VTTs website with the same title. Considering the amount of publicity this thing gets, VTT or the person will publicly refute it pretty soon if it's a fake.
- AnssiH 7mo ago
  Also, VTT had publicly confirmed earlier that they had conducted tests for Donut Lab. I'm confident the document and tests are real, but other shenanigans are still possible (and likely IMO).

mrtksn 7mo ago

Sorry, I was trying to compose a post but I was a minute late so copy-pasted the content as a comment and forgot to adopt. Removing the redundant link. Thanks. BTW, the people who conducted the test appear to be on LinkedIn. I guess its pretty easy to confirm if the test on the company site is authentic.

andor 7mo ago

The PDF is digitally signed with a cert from the Finnish „Digital and Population Data Services Agency“

hipsdontlie 7mo ago
Unfortunately that's not the same as VTT. VTT would be more like "National Institute of Scientific Research"
- mrtksn 7mo ago
  It says its sign by this guy: https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/petri-soderena-takes-lead-developing-transportation-research https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/petri-soderena... He has an e-mail address and a phone number, I doubt that if the report is falsified it won't come out.
  - hipsdontlie 7mo ago
    I just found a video of the same guy selling some magical AGI thing 9 months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8 Promising the moon and stars just like with Donut. Donut Labs also had a video presentation of some kind of automotive design software that also sounded too good to be true. This guy is a serial scammer.
    - mrtksn 7mo ago
      Elon Musk sells self driving cars since 10 years that don't self drive but his cars are actually decent cars and his rockets are revolutionary. Also, who isn't selling magical AGI since the last 4 years? I think i will judge the battery and the magical AGI separately. The guy also sells magical motors that appear to be real with people riding motorbikes with those motors.
- swongel 7mo ago
  Well there's this press release they would publish a report: https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-commissioned-vtt-carry-out-battery-measurements-support-its-product https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-comm... with as author the same name on the digital signature "Petri Söderena" for Organisation "Teknologian tutkimuskeskus VTT" and the chain is attested by "DVV Organisational Certificates - G4E" which is on the EU/EEA trusted list: https://eidas.ec.europa.eu/efda/trust-services/browse/eidas/tls/tl/FI/tsp/1/service/15 https://eidas.ec.europa.eu/efda/trust-services/browse/eidas/... (by name and key signature). Looks like a legit VTT document to me.
rmu09 7mo ago
I think it is safe to assume, given the buzz all around the donut battery, that VTT would immediately release a statement if this report was fake. edit: https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-commissioned-vtt-carry-out-battery-measurements-support-its-product https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-comm...

jusssi 7mo ago

The person whose signature is on it, is listed on VTTs website with the same title. Considering the amount of publicity this thing gets, VTT or the person will publicly refute it pretty soon if it's a fake.

AnssiH 7mo ago
Also, VTT had publicly confirmed earlier that they had conducted tests for Donut Lab. I'm confident the document and tests are real, but other shenanigans are still possible (and likely IMO).