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This is also how some of us use Claude despite what the haters say. You dont just go “build thing” you architect, review, refine, test and build.
by giancarlostoro 9mo ago
This is also how some of us use Claude despite what the haters say. You dont just go “build thing” you architect, review, refine, test and build.
- gnfargbl 9mo agoIt's how most of us are actually going to end up using AI agents for the foreseeable future, perhaps with increasing degrees of abstraction as we move to a teams-of-agents model. The industry hasn't come up with a simple meme-format term to explain this workflow pattern yet, so people aren't excited about it. But don't worry, we'll surely have a bullshit term for it soon, and managers everywhere will be excited. In the meantime, we can just continue doing work with these new tools.
- card_zero 9mo agoThis is an opportunity to select some stupid words that you would like to hear repeated a million times. The process is like patiently nurturing a well-contained thing, so how about "egg coding"?
- DANmode 9mo agoHow about “engineering”?
- mr_mitm 9mo agoI thought the term was "agentic engineering"
- simonw 9mo agoYeah that's the top contender at the moment. I think it's pretty good.
- giancarlostoro 9mo agoI like "spec driven development" but I honestly don't care what you call it, just let me build things and leave me alone. :)
- newswasboring 9mo agoSDD is more like a subset. There are different ways to manage context in agentic engineering
- giancarlostoro 9mo agoI guess, I just know I force my agent to use a ticketing system like Beads (I made my own).
- DANmode 9mo ago> SDD Don’t do that! On a two-day-old term?! No wonder we’re called gatekeepers.
- newswasboring 9mo agoOk jeez, calm down. I am not shouldering all of the AI discourse lol.
- DANmode 9mo ago^_^
- viraptor 9mo agoI'm not sure there's going to be a term, because there's no difference from normal, good quality engineering. You iterate on design, validate results, prioritise execution. It's just that you hand over the writing code part. It's as boring as it gets.
- giancarlostoro 9mo agoI havent quite dealt with "teams of agents" yet outside of Claude Code itself spawning subagents, but I have some ideas as to how to achieve it in a meaningful way without giving a developer 10 claude code licenses, I think the real approach that makes more sense to me is to still have humans in the loop, but have their respective agents sync together and divide work towards one goal, but being able to determine which tasks are left to be worked one and tested. I do think for the foreseeable future you will need human validation for AI.
- gf000 9mo agohttps://youtu.be/JV-wY5pxXLo?si=ga-9Gg8IZfU6g8Tg https://youtu.be/JV-wY5pxXLo?si=ga-9Gg8IZfU6g8Tg It's vibe engineering
- gnfargbl 9mo agoThis does not spark joy.
- latexr 9mo ago> how some of us Operative word being “some”. The issue is that too many aren’t doing it that way. > You dont just go “build thing” Tell that to the overwhelming majority of posters discussing vibe coding, including on HN.
- tonyedgecombe 9mo agoI suppose to some extent those people have always existed. The ones who would choose the most expedient solution. The difference now is they can get much further along.
- danielvaughn 9mo agoSure, but they're going to be stuck writing software for yesterday's problems. As our tools become more powerful, we're going to unlock new problems and expectations that would be impossible or impractical to solve with yesterday's tooling.
- coldtea 9mo ago>Sure, but they're going to be stuck writing software for yesterday's problems As long as they get paid for it (or have fun, if it's a personal project), they couldn't care less about that. Tomorrow's problems are overrated.
- philipallstar 9mo ago> despite what the haters say Thinking people who disagree with you hate you or hate the thing you like is a recipe for disaster. It's much better to not love or hate things like this, and instead just observe and come to useful, outcome-based conclusions.
- simonw 9mo agoLLMs really do attract haters in the classic sense though. You'll find them in almost every thread on here.
- jcgrillo 9mo agoThey also attract grifters, frauds, conmen, snake oil peddlers, and every stripe of bullshit artist. I'm someone you probably would view as a hater, but I truly don't hate LLMs. I hate the lies. Projects like this are interesting, I wish there was a lot more of this and a lot less of the "trust me bro" stuff.
- rstuart4133 8mo agoAt this point, I say it attracts LLM Luddites. I have a lot of sympathy for the Luddites after reading about the sudden loss of jobs and lifestyle, the new textile factories running roughshod over all sorts of ethical boundaries in pursuit of profit - like using child labour, and horrendous accident rates and working hours. It's sad in a way the Luddites weren't more successful than they were, as there were decades of harm inflicted by these newfangled ideas before the kinks were ironed out. But some of the blame for that must be laid at the Luddites' feet - they were focused on preserving the past, choosing to remain in denial about the inevitability of the wave of change crashing down on them. They left the job of ironing out the kinks to the workers in the factories that displaced them. With LLMs, we look be to taking the same broken path as the textile industry and its Luddites, sadly.
- giancarlostoro 9mo agoLook at any HN thread that has a project that uses AI in any way, shape or form. People quickly remark that it is slop, without even reviewing the code. If that's not blind hatred of AI, I don't know what is. There's a huge distinction between Vibe Coding, and actual software engineers using AI tooling effectively. I vibe code for fun sometimes too, nothing wrong with it, helps me figure out how the model behaves in some instances, and to push the limits of what I understand.