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I don't think so. If someone runs a tool without args, the tool should do equivalent of "tool --help" It is bad ux.

by rk06 8mo ago

Sammi 8mo ago
I expect a file formatter to format the files when I call it. Anything else would be surprising to me.
- rk06 8mo ago
  a new user should not expected to know whether to use "--info", "--help", or "-info" or "/info" A power user can just pass the right params. Besides, it is not that hard to support "--yolo" parameter for that use case
  - xigoi 8mo ago
    Would you enjoy writing `rm --yolo file` instead of `rm file` every time?
    - user3939382 8mo ago
      Not taking a position but the design of rm strengthens the position that recursive by default without flags isn’t ok. rm makes you confirm when you want changes to recurse dirs.
    - phcreery 8mo ago
      In this case, "file" is the arg, not --yolo. `rm` without any args returns `` rm: missing operand Try 'rm --help' for more information. ``` `oxfmt` should have done the same and `oxfmt .`, with the desired dir ".", should have been the required usage.
      - xigoi 8mo ago
        I expect invoking a command-line tool without any arguments to perform the most common action. Displaying the help should only be a fallback if there is no most common action. For example, `git init` modifies the current directory instead of asking you, because that’s what you want to do most of the time.
    - vladvasiliu 8mo ago
      No, but we're not talking about `oxfmt file` here, but `oxfmt` with no argument. I don't expect `rm` with no argument to trash everything in my CWD. Which it doesn't, see sibling's comment.
    - watt 8mo ago
      would you enjoy it if running "rm" in any folder recursively deleted all files in it?
  - aquariusDue 8mo ago
    I know feels aren't the objective truth but I feel like most people would default to running "new-cli-tool --help" first thing as a learned (defensive) habit. After all quite a bit of stuff that runs in a terminal emulator does something when ran without arguments or flags.
    - rk06 8mo ago
      I feel most people should refer to manual before running arbitary command. but that's because "crontab -r" has taught me this the hard way. new devs should not learn these things the hard way

I don't think so. If someone runs a tool without args, the tool should do equivalent of "tool --help" It is bad ux.

by rk06 8mo ago

I don't think so. If someone runs a tool without args, the tool should do equivalent of "tool --help" It is bad ux.

Sammi 8mo ago

I expect a file formatter to format the files when I call it. Anything else would be surprising to me.

rk06 8mo ago
a new user should not expected to know whether to use "--info", "--help", or "-info" or "/info" A power user can just pass the right params. Besides, it is not that hard to support "--yolo" parameter for that use case
- xigoi 8mo ago
  Would you enjoy writing `rm --yolo file` instead of `rm file` every time?
  - user3939382 8mo ago
    Not taking a position but the design of rm strengthens the position that recursive by default without flags isn’t ok. rm makes you confirm when you want changes to recurse dirs.
  - phcreery 8mo ago
    In this case, "file" is the arg, not --yolo. `rm` without any args returns `` rm: missing operand Try 'rm --help' for more information. ``` `oxfmt` should have done the same and `oxfmt .`, with the desired dir ".", should have been the required usage.
    - xigoi 8mo ago
      I expect invoking a command-line tool without any arguments to perform the most common action. Displaying the help should only be a fallback if there is no most common action. For example, `git init` modifies the current directory instead of asking you, because that’s what you want to do most of the time.
  - vladvasiliu 8mo ago
    No, but we're not talking about `oxfmt file` here, but `oxfmt` with no argument. I don't expect `rm` with no argument to trash everything in my CWD. Which it doesn't, see sibling's comment.
  - watt 8mo ago
    would you enjoy it if running "rm" in any folder recursively deleted all files in it?
- aquariusDue 8mo ago
  I know feels aren't the objective truth but I feel like most people would default to running "new-cli-tool --help" first thing as a learned (defensive) habit. After all quite a bit of stuff that runs in a terminal emulator does something when ran without arguments or flags.
  - rk06 8mo ago
    I feel most people should refer to manual before running arbitary command. but that's because "crontab -r" has taught me this the hard way. new devs should not learn these things the hard way