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Cloudflare has become so ubiquitous that they've become a major vulnerability for non-U.S. governments. The recent outages offered a small taste of what might

by beloch 8mo ago

Cloudflare has become so ubiquitous that they've become a major vulnerability for non-U.S. governments. The recent outages offered a small taste of what might happen if the U.S. government, on one of their random whims, ordered Cloudflare to block everyone and every site within a target country. This in no way excuses what Spain is doing, but its important to recognize that the internet is becoming more of a battlefield every day.

hdgvhicv 8mo ago
Spanish citizens have control over eh Spanish government. If this is a concern they can of course change the law. Yes democracy is hard, you have to convince the country it’s important. European citizens have less control if they aren’t Spanish citizens as they can only talk to their local and European representivies and not the national ones. But they can still raise the cause, and there nothing politicians like more than a popular cause which wins them votes. Enough people say they won’t vote for party X as they back the blocking and that becomes a policy at whatever party conferences Spain has People in Spain and Europe have no control over America though. If the American governments blocks a site they have to comply with no representation. Freedom is impotent, but it doesn’t mean what Americans think.
- graemep 8mo ago
  > European citizens have less control if they aren’t Spanish citizens as they can only talk to their local and European representivies and not the national ones. Citizens of other countries have less influence on the Spanish government than Spanish citizens? Not surprising.
- watwut 8mo ago
  > Freedom is impotent, Did you meant to say important?
- bilekas 8mo ago
  > Spanish citizens have control over eh Spanish government. The fact is LaLiga has more.. It's been that way for years. There was a case where they would (may still do) use the microphone on your phone via the laLiga app to hear if you were watching a match and correlate that with licensed venues. They're the most aggressive I've ever seen, and their influence in the government is unmatched.
  - hdgvhicv 8mo ago
    So you’re saying democracy doesn’t work?
    - learningstud 8mo ago
      I've come to believe that democracy doesn't work because most citizens don't want to work it. Many of the legislations passed are harmful to the majority even when the intentions are good. Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Friedrich Hayek have been saying this for a century.

by beloch 8mo ago

hdgvhicv 8mo ago

Spanish citizens have control over eh Spanish government. If this is a concern they can of course change the law. Yes democracy is hard, you have to convince the country it’s important. European citizens have less control if they aren’t Spanish citizens as they can only talk to their local and European representivies and not the national ones. But they can still raise the cause, and there nothing politicians like more than a popular cause which wins them votes. Enough people say they won’t vote for party X as they back the blocking and that becomes a policy at whatever party conferences Spain has People in Spain and Europe have no control over America though. If the American governments blocks a site they have to comply with no representation. Freedom is impotent, but it doesn’t mean what Americans think.

graemep 8mo ago
> European citizens have less control if they aren’t Spanish citizens as they can only talk to their local and European representivies and not the national ones. Citizens of other countries have less influence on the Spanish government than Spanish citizens? Not surprising.
watwut 8mo ago
> Freedom is impotent, Did you meant to say important?
bilekas 8mo ago
> Spanish citizens have control over eh Spanish government. The fact is LaLiga has more.. It's been that way for years. There was a case where they would (may still do) use the microphone on your phone via the laLiga app to hear if you were watching a match and correlate that with licensed venues. They're the most aggressive I've ever seen, and their influence in the government is unmatched.
- hdgvhicv 8mo ago
  So you’re saying democracy doesn’t work?
  - learningstud 8mo ago
    I've come to believe that democracy doesn't work because most citizens don't want to work it. Many of the legislations passed are harmful to the majority even when the intentions are good. Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Friedrich Hayek have been saying this for a century.