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> LLMs don’t have such instincts and can potentially be instructed to present or evaluate the primary, if opposing, arguments. It seems essentially wrong to an

> LLMs don’t have such instincts and can potentially be instructed to present or evaluate the primary, if opposing, arguments. It seems essentially wrong to anthropomorphize LLMs as having instincts or not. What they have is training, and there's currently no widely accepted test for determining whether a "fair" evaluation from an LLM stems from biases during training. (It should be clear that humans don't need to be unpolitical; what they need to be is accountable. Wikipedia appears to be at least passably competent at making its human editors accountable to each other.)

kelipso 8mo ago
I said LLM doesn’t have such instinct but yeah I agree there should be less anthropomorphizing and more evaluation based framing when talking about LLMs, but it’s not that easy in regular discussions. About Wikipedia, there is obvious bias and cliques there as has been discussed in this thread and HN for many years, not to mention the its bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place.
- greggoB 8mo ago
  > not to mention the its bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place. No, the reason is Musk didn't like that the Wikipedia article on him added the factual record of him doing a Nazi salute [0] [0] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2025/01/23/musk-wikipedia-founder-in-row-over-how-to-describe-nazi-salute_6737328_133.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2025/01/23/m...
- croon 8mo ago
  > not to mention the its bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place. claimed bias != bias It may have bias, or it may not, but the only reason Grokipedia exists is because Musk doesn't like the contents of Wikipedia.
- rbanffy 8mo ago
  > bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place. You are correct, but only in the sense that Musk was unable to impose his own biases upon Wikipedia, so he had to make one where he can tune bias to whatever is convenient at the moment.

kelipso 8mo ago

I said LLM doesn’t have such instinct but yeah I agree there should be less anthropomorphizing and more evaluation based framing when talking about LLMs, but it’s not that easy in regular discussions. About Wikipedia, there is obvious bias and cliques there as has been discussed in this thread and HN for many years, not to mention the its bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place.

greggoB 8mo ago
> not to mention the its bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place. No, the reason is Musk didn't like that the Wikipedia article on him added the factual record of him doing a Nazi salute [0] [0] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2025/01/23/musk-wikipedia-founder-in-row-over-how-to-describe-nazi-salute_6737328_133.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2025/01/23/m...
croon 8mo ago
> not to mention the its bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place. claimed bias != bias It may have bias, or it may not, but the only reason Grokipedia exists is because Musk doesn't like the contents of Wikipedia.
rbanffy 8mo ago
> bias is reason that Grokipedia came about in the first place. You are correct, but only in the sense that Musk was unable to impose his own biases upon Wikipedia, so he had to make one where he can tune bias to whatever is convenient at the moment.