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> They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Given Irans track record wrt women rights, and inability of Iranians to accept viole

> They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Given Irans track record wrt women rights, and inability of Iranians to accept violence toward their women, IR doesn’t need the US or anyone else to destroy their society. > Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us. Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them?

tehjoker 7mo ago
Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. We can support change in Iranian society without calling for the destruction of their government by any means necessary. I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. > Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them? I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s.
- reliabilityguy 7mo ago
  > Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. IR is not deprived of essential goods. They are trading with all the neighbors and many international partners. > Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. Do you mean cultural practice of beating women to death for refusal to wear hijab? What is exactly the voice these women have? > I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. No, I am not. FWIW saudis seem to be totally fine with their ruling family. Iranians, on the other hand, are not. There is a huge difference between what we see in Iran, and what we see in SA. Moreover, saudis do no chant “death to america”, do not believe in the spread of Islamic revolution, and are not working on nuclear weapons. > I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. Can you explain to me how did you get from me pointing out that IR is a regime governed by the idea of spreading Islamic revolution and random African countries? > You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s. lol no. You can’t spread democracy if locals don’t believe in democracy. Iranians believe in democracy, and they do have a chance once the regime is gone, or, at least they give up their nukes, and stop enrichment. If Iran has nukes, Saudis and others in the region would want nukes. I think we need to have fewer nukes in the world and not more.
thrance 7mo ago
Now apply this argument to Saudi Arabia and ask yourself why Iran is on the receiving end of this propaganda and not the former. America gives zero fucks about the oppressed minorities of this world, in fact, it is to blame for a lot of this oppression. War and starvation never improved any society.
- reliabilityguy 7mo ago
  > Now apply this argument to Saudi Arabia What argument? Saudi Arabia and IR are fundamentally different countries and cultures. Do you see the same dissatisfaction of saudis with the ruling family? Saudis are not interested in getting nukes unless Iran gets nukes. Saudis are not revolutionaries and don’t care about the spread of revolution.
  - thrance 7mo ago
    Grandparent was specifically pointing to women's rights as a reason to invade Iran and overthrow their government. I was asking why we never hear such things against Saudi Arabia, a country that is comparatively misogynistic. My point is that the invasion of Iran isn't coming from any good intentions for its people. The United States have shown times and times again that they are fine with dictatorships, as long as the dictator in question grants them privileged access to whatever they may desire. Hell, they've even created dozens of dictatorships accross the world, sometimes even overthrowing democracies.

tehjoker 7mo ago

Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. We can support change in Iranian society without calling for the destruction of their government by any means necessary. I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. > Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them? I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s.

reliabilityguy 7mo ago
> Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. IR is not deprived of essential goods. They are trading with all the neighbors and many international partners. > Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. Do you mean cultural practice of beating women to death for refusal to wear hijab? What is exactly the voice these women have? > I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. No, I am not. FWIW saudis seem to be totally fine with their ruling family. Iranians, on the other hand, are not. There is a huge difference between what we see in Iran, and what we see in SA. Moreover, saudis do no chant “death to america”, do not believe in the spread of Islamic revolution, and are not working on nuclear weapons. > I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. Can you explain to me how did you get from me pointing out that IR is a regime governed by the idea of spreading Islamic revolution and random African countries? > You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s. lol no. You can’t spread democracy if locals don’t believe in democracy. Iranians believe in democracy, and they do have a chance once the regime is gone, or, at least they give up their nukes, and stop enrichment. If Iran has nukes, Saudis and others in the region would want nukes. I think we need to have fewer nukes in the world and not more.

thrance 7mo ago

Now apply this argument to Saudi Arabia and ask yourself why Iran is on the receiving end of this propaganda and not the former. America gives zero fucks about the oppressed minorities of this world, in fact, it is to blame for a lot of this oppression. War and starvation never improved any society.

reliabilityguy 7mo ago
> Now apply this argument to Saudi Arabia What argument? Saudi Arabia and IR are fundamentally different countries and cultures. Do you see the same dissatisfaction of saudis with the ruling family? Saudis are not interested in getting nukes unless Iran gets nukes. Saudis are not revolutionaries and don’t care about the spread of revolution.
- thrance 7mo ago
  Grandparent was specifically pointing to women's rights as a reason to invade Iran and overthrow their government. I was asking why we never hear such things against Saudi Arabia, a country that is comparatively misogynistic. My point is that the invasion of Iran isn't coming from any good intentions for its people. The United States have shown times and times again that they are fine with dictatorships, as long as the dictator in question grants them privileged access to whatever they may desire. Hell, they've even created dozens of dictatorships accross the world, sometimes even overthrowing democracies.