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Dunno, my calendar reminds me "out of the blue", without me having to initiate a conversation, that it's time to leave for the gym, no "claw" or "ai" involved.

Dunno, my calendar reminds me "out of the blue", without me having to initiate a conversation, that it's time to leave for the gym, no "claw" or "ai" involved. I always have my backpack with me, so if I need milk I can pick it up on the way back. And I am pretty sure that I have to notice if I need milk myself. The tech sounds cool, but whenever I hear about actual applications, I don't see the point.

dgellow 8mo ago
Everything I’ve seen about it feels so over engineered
stavros 8mo ago
If you don't have a need for a personal assistant, that's fine, not everyone does. That doesn't mean nobody does. The milk thing was just an example of a tool that can intelligently combine things for you, not a literal "it's a calendar with a milk function". This is a bit like "if I want to call my friends, I have a phone a home, why would I need a mobile?" which somewhat betrays a lack of imagination.
- olyjohn 8mo ago
  You're just not providing any good examples of what I cant already do with current automation tools.
  - neodymiumphish 8mo ago
    My wife constantly asks me about adding books to her Kindle. I use Anna’s archive for this, but the process can be very annoying. I have to go to the site, search for the content. Filter by epub and English. Then download the content. Then send it to her Kindle email. My openclaw now searches for the relevant content upon her request, sends the URL to a Stacks docker instance, monitors the Stacks instance for when the download completes, grabs the resulting epub from a local file share, then sends it to her kindle email. She doesn’t even send me the request anymore; she sends them straight to the Discord bot. It also corrects our calendar every night. She often just through something on the calendar like “[son’s name] speech”, but we have speech appointments in either of two locations, and I have a strong preference for calendar items in the format “[person] - activity”. If she puts the city name with the speech appointments (“[son’s name] speech [town]”), openclaw reformats the title accordingly and adds the physical address of the speech therapy office we go to in that town. This means Apple Calendar sends us notifications when it’s time to leave, instead of just 30 mins prior. I have a few others as well, but those are real world examples. Maybe they don’t matter for your use case, but they’re good for mine.
    - samusiam 8mo ago
      But it's so easy to just download from libgen and send as an attachment to a Kindle email...
      - neodymiumphish 8mo ago
        Are you being sarcastic? Like sure, it is. But when I'm out doing something and she texts me a book title and author, I'd have to make a mental note to take care of it next time I'm free. It also means having a stack of epub files in my phone/tablet/laptop downloads that I've got no use for.
signatoremo 8mo ago
That's because you just lack of imagination. Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? Examples: "Find me the cheapest ticket to Las Vegas for the first week of June. Buy one at anytime that you think is reasonable. Wait until no later than two months from now before buying. Get two tickets if my brother can also go". "Email me if anyone posts a Sega multi mega for sale. But only if it's in black color". I have no idea if OpenClaws can already do such a task or not, I don't have one, but it opens up new possibilities. If it isn't there yet, it will be.
- echoangle 8mo ago
  > Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? That’s kind of the confusing thing for me, I wouldn’t have a human personal assistant do anything for me as long as any money is on the line. I couldn’t teach them my preferences well enough to trust them to do it the way I want, instead of just doing it myself. Personal assistants only make sense to me if you’re so rich that money doesn’t really matter to you anyways. Your trip booking thing for example is something I would never give to a human assistant. The alert for stuff on sale can already be done on the usual price tracking websites.
  - signatoremo 8mo ago
    > I wouldn’t have a human personal assistant do anything for me as long as any money is on the line. You don’t have to trust them with money. You can ask them to send you the info for you to do the final step. > Your trip booking thing for example is something I would never give to a human assistant. Maybe not you, but people already use personal travel agency for their booking need, see for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/travelagents/comments/1i4fiod/best_host_agency_for_personal_travel/ https://www.reddit.com/r/travelagents/comments/1i4fiod/best_... Air ticket booking agency used to be popular before the Internet made that business obsolete. > The alert for stuff on sale can already be done on the usual price tracking websites Sega multi mega is a rare collectible item. No price tracking websites have it. You need to frequent online groups or forums of enthusiasts. eBay may have ones, but information (e.g color) may be missing, and follow-up is required. OpenClaw can do that for you.

dgellow 8mo ago

Everything I’ve seen about it feels so over engineered

stavros 8mo ago

If you don't have a need for a personal assistant, that's fine, not everyone does. That doesn't mean nobody does. The milk thing was just an example of a tool that can intelligently combine things for you, not a literal "it's a calendar with a milk function". This is a bit like "if I want to call my friends, I have a phone a home, why would I need a mobile?" which somewhat betrays a lack of imagination.

olyjohn 8mo ago
You're just not providing any good examples of what I cant already do with current automation tools.
- neodymiumphish 8mo ago
  My wife constantly asks me about adding books to her Kindle. I use Anna’s archive for this, but the process can be very annoying. I have to go to the site, search for the content. Filter by epub and English. Then download the content. Then send it to her Kindle email. My openclaw now searches for the relevant content upon her request, sends the URL to a Stacks docker instance, monitors the Stacks instance for when the download completes, grabs the resulting epub from a local file share, then sends it to her kindle email. She doesn’t even send me the request anymore; she sends them straight to the Discord bot. It also corrects our calendar every night. She often just through something on the calendar like “[son’s name] speech”, but we have speech appointments in either of two locations, and I have a strong preference for calendar items in the format “[person] - activity”. If she puts the city name with the speech appointments (“[son’s name] speech [town]”), openclaw reformats the title accordingly and adds the physical address of the speech therapy office we go to in that town. This means Apple Calendar sends us notifications when it’s time to leave, instead of just 30 mins prior. I have a few others as well, but those are real world examples. Maybe they don’t matter for your use case, but they’re good for mine.
  - samusiam 8mo ago
    But it's so easy to just download from libgen and send as an attachment to a Kindle email...
    - neodymiumphish 8mo ago
      Are you being sarcastic? Like sure, it is. But when I'm out doing something and she texts me a book title and author, I'd have to make a mental note to take care of it next time I'm free. It also means having a stack of epub files in my phone/tablet/laptop downloads that I've got no use for.

signatoremo 8mo ago

That's because you just lack of imagination. Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? Examples: "Find me the cheapest ticket to Las Vegas for the first week of June. Buy one at anytime that you think is reasonable. Wait until no later than two months from now before buying. Get two tickets if my brother can also go". "Email me if anyone posts a Sega multi mega for sale. But only if it's in black color". I have no idea if OpenClaws can already do such a task or not, I don't have one, but it opens up new possibilities. If it isn't there yet, it will be.

echoangle 8mo ago
> Imagine if you have a human personal assistant, what would you ask them to do? That’s kind of the confusing thing for me, I wouldn’t have a human personal assistant do anything for me as long as any money is on the line. I couldn’t teach them my preferences well enough to trust them to do it the way I want, instead of just doing it myself. Personal assistants only make sense to me if you’re so rich that money doesn’t really matter to you anyways. Your trip booking thing for example is something I would never give to a human assistant. The alert for stuff on sale can already be done on the usual price tracking websites.
- signatoremo 8mo ago
  > I wouldn’t have a human personal assistant do anything for me as long as any money is on the line. You don’t have to trust them with money. You can ask them to send you the info for you to do the final step. > Your trip booking thing for example is something I would never give to a human assistant. Maybe not you, but people already use personal travel agency for their booking need, see for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/travelagents/comments/1i4fiod/best_host_agency_for_personal_travel/ https://www.reddit.com/r/travelagents/comments/1i4fiod/best_... Air ticket booking agency used to be popular before the Internet made that business obsolete. > The alert for stuff on sale can already be done on the usual price tracking websites Sega multi mega is a rare collectible item. No price tracking websites have it. You need to frequent online groups or forums of enthusiasts. eBay may have ones, but information (e.g color) may be missing, and follow-up is required. OpenClaw can do that for you.