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> Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance.

> Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance. https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-crush-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-cr... Does Israel also force Hamas and PA to violently suppress dissent too?

cardanome 7mo ago
The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. As for Hamas > Human Rights Watch met with the Palestinian Authority Intelligence Services in Ramallah, but was unable to accept an offer from Hamas authorities to meet in Gaza because Israel refused to grant permits for senior Human Rights Watch officials to enter the Gaza Strip for this purpose. Israeli authorities also rejected Human Rights Watch’s request for senior representatives to enter Gaza during October 2018 to present this report at a news conference.
- reliabilityguy 7mo ago
  > The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. So, they still choose to do it, right? > As for Hamas How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true?
  - cardanome 7mo ago
    > So, they still choose to do it, right? This discussion started with you saying how bad Hamas was for executing Fatah collaborators in 2007 so not sure what point you are making other than agreeing with Hamas. > How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true? Inviting Humans Rights Watch does not seem like the behavior of an organization that has crimes to hide. Considering it was not possible to enter Gaza, the fact finding was limited and so it is not conclusive. Also Humans Rights Watch had to criticize "both sides" because of political pressure. It is a move to seem impartial. Hamas does not oppress its people. It couldn't survive a day without the support of its people. It kills collaborators as any resistance movement needs to do. Nothing wrong with that.
    - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
      > Hamas does not oppress its people. Of course not, and the report is made up.
    - halflife 7mo ago
      Holy hell, an actual bonafide unashamed Hamas apologizer in the wild. Here you go, they have their own category of atrocities in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks
      - cardanome 7mo ago
        "Atrocities". It is telling that people here discuss how the protestors in Iran are justified in using violence but Palestinians are not allowed to resist foreign occupation. Suddenly that is really bad. Resistance is not a crime.
        reliabilityguy 7mo ago
        > Resistance is not a crime. It actually is when the “resistance” is targeting civilians, including the foreign ones.

cardanome 7mo ago

The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. As for Hamas > Human Rights Watch met with the Palestinian Authority Intelligence Services in Ramallah, but was unable to accept an offer from Hamas authorities to meet in Gaza because Israel refused to grant permits for senior Human Rights Watch officials to enter the Gaza Strip for this purpose. Israeli authorities also rejected Human Rights Watch’s request for senior representatives to enter Gaza during October 2018 to present this report at a news conference.

reliabilityguy 7mo ago
> The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. So, they still choose to do it, right? > As for Hamas How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true?
- cardanome 7mo ago
  > So, they still choose to do it, right? This discussion started with you saying how bad Hamas was for executing Fatah collaborators in 2007 so not sure what point you are making other than agreeing with Hamas. > How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true? Inviting Humans Rights Watch does not seem like the behavior of an organization that has crimes to hide. Considering it was not possible to enter Gaza, the fact finding was limited and so it is not conclusive. Also Humans Rights Watch had to criticize "both sides" because of political pressure. It is a move to seem impartial. Hamas does not oppress its people. It couldn't survive a day without the support of its people. It kills collaborators as any resistance movement needs to do. Nothing wrong with that.
  - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
    > Hamas does not oppress its people. Of course not, and the report is made up.
  - halflife 7mo ago
    Holy hell, an actual bonafide unashamed Hamas apologizer in the wild. Here you go, they have their own category of atrocities in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks
    - cardanome 7mo ago
      "Atrocities". It is telling that people here discuss how the protestors in Iran are justified in using violence but Palestinians are not allowed to resist foreign occupation. Suddenly that is really bad. Resistance is not a crime.
      - reliabilityguy 7mo ago
        > Resistance is not a crime. It actually is when the “resistance” is targeting civilians, including the foreign ones.