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Yeah, the one that forced Hamas to do that: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21742496 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21742496 What is funny to me is that as long

Yeah, the one that forced Hamas to do that: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21742496 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21742496 What is funny to me is that as long as some group is anti-west, they can commit any atrocity, and get a blank check for it. Like, they had to do it, there was not other choice. Completely stripped of any agency not to commit atrocities.

cardanome 8mo ago
So the worst you could find is a story from 2007 where Hamas killed five collaborators? Not to mention that it was in the context of a coup attempt against democratically elected Hamas. Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance. Hamas works perfectly well together with all Palestinian resistance groups from Islamic Jihad to secular ones like the PFLP.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  > Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance. https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-crush-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-cr... Does Israel also force Hamas and PA to violently suppress dissent too?
  - cardanome 8mo ago
    The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. As for Hamas > Human Rights Watch met with the Palestinian Authority Intelligence Services in Ramallah, but was unable to accept an offer from Hamas authorities to meet in Gaza because Israel refused to grant permits for senior Human Rights Watch officials to enter the Gaza Strip for this purpose. Israeli authorities also rejected Human Rights Watch’s request for senior representatives to enter Gaza during October 2018 to present this report at a news conference.
    - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
      > The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. So, they still choose to do it, right? > As for Hamas How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true?
      - cardanome 8mo ago
        > So, they still choose to do it, right? This discussion started with you saying how bad Hamas was for executing Fatah collaborators in 2007 so not sure what point you are making other than agreeing with Hamas. > How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true? Inviting Humans Rights Watch does not seem like the behavior of an organization that has crimes to hide. Considering it was not possible to enter Gaza, the fact finding was limited and so it is not conclusive. Also Humans Rights Watch had to criticize "both sides" because of political pressure. It is a move to seem impartial. Hamas does not oppress its people. It couldn't survive a day without the support of its people. It kills collaborators as any resistance movement needs to do. Nothing wrong with that.
        reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        > Hamas does not oppress its people. Of course not, and the report is made up.
        halflife 7mo ago
        Holy hell, an actual bonafide unashamed Hamas apologizer in the wild. Here you go, they have their own category of atrocities in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks
        cardanome 7mo ago
        "Atrocities". It is telling that people here discuss how the protestors in Iran are justified in using violence but Palestinians are not allowed to resist foreign occupation. Suddenly that is really bad. Resistance is not a crime.

cardanome 8mo ago

So the worst you could find is a story from 2007 where Hamas killed five collaborators? Not to mention that it was in the context of a coup attempt against democratically elected Hamas. Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance. Hamas works perfectly well together with all Palestinian resistance groups from Islamic Jihad to secular ones like the PFLP.

reliabilityguy 8mo ago
> Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance. https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-crush-dissent https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-cr... Does Israel also force Hamas and PA to violently suppress dissent too?
- cardanome 8mo ago
  The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. As for Hamas > Human Rights Watch met with the Palestinian Authority Intelligence Services in Ramallah, but was unable to accept an offer from Hamas authorities to meet in Gaza because Israel refused to grant permits for senior Human Rights Watch officials to enter the Gaza Strip for this purpose. Israeli authorities also rejected Human Rights Watch’s request for senior representatives to enter Gaza during October 2018 to present this report at a news conference.
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    > The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent. So, they still choose to do it, right? > As for Hamas How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true?
    - cardanome 8mo ago
      > So, they still choose to do it, right? This discussion started with you saying how bad Hamas was for executing Fatah collaborators in 2007 so not sure what point you are making other than agreeing with Hamas. > How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true? Inviting Humans Rights Watch does not seem like the behavior of an organization that has crimes to hide. Considering it was not possible to enter Gaza, the fact finding was limited and so it is not conclusive. Also Humans Rights Watch had to criticize "both sides" because of political pressure. It is a move to seem impartial. Hamas does not oppress its people. It couldn't survive a day without the support of its people. It kills collaborators as any resistance movement needs to do. Nothing wrong with that.
      - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        > Hamas does not oppress its people. Of course not, and the report is made up.
      - halflife 7mo ago
        Holy hell, an actual bonafide unashamed Hamas apologizer in the wild. Here you go, they have their own category of atrocities in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks
        cardanome 7mo ago
        "Atrocities". It is telling that people here discuss how the protestors in Iran are justified in using violence but Palestinians are not allowed to resist foreign occupation. Suddenly that is really bad. Resistance is not a crime.