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but the war machine relies on fools to fun smoothly There is nothing new under the sun. Interwar pacifists made these arguments 100 years ago. They have some m

but the war machine relies on fools to fun smoothly There is nothing new under the sun. Interwar pacifists made these arguments 100 years ago. They have some merit, but they weren't then and aren't now the full picture. You do realize though that you are morally and ethically and spiritually culpable and responsible for the murder Inaction also results in death. colonial puppet Shah regime There is no point arguing from here on. To my liberal brain, it just comes off as Baader–Meinhof nonsense. We are not going to agree about anything.

roysting 8mo ago
I'm not at all a pacifist. If you knew something about me, you would realize just how wrong that is. I am merely opposed to being used, manipulated, played, conned, scammed, f-ed, and more colorful language I will retain for myself. And sure, inaction may or may not result in death, but inaction is not morally obligated, especially when I am not even remotely involved or it does not remotely concern me. If I am understanding your perspectively correctly, the irony is simply that you do not understand that clandestine action is actually orchestrating and instigating the supposed death you imply could be prevented through additional action you are being manipulated into taking/supporting. Yes, there is nothing new under the sun, including the very same playbook that is being used now that was used repeatedly over the lifetime of every very young children here, let alone anyone that has reached legal maturity. What else would you call that the Shah was thick with the CIA. et al. and his son basically lives across the river from the CIA in Potomac, MD? I am also liberal in many ways, but these are just true things. Have you ever heard of The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matè. They provide a good introduction to current and recent events focused on this topic.
- thomassmith65 8mo ago
  If you knew something about me, you would realize just how wrong that is. Yes, that dawned on me half-way down the comment, at which point I - maybe unfairly - put you in the radical box and gave up on communicating. I can tell we'd find each other's positions equally inhumane and naive, and the whole thing would be irritating for us both.

roysting 8mo ago

I'm not at all a pacifist. If you knew something about me, you would realize just how wrong that is. I am merely opposed to being used, manipulated, played, conned, scammed, f-ed, and more colorful language I will retain for myself. And sure, inaction may or may not result in death, but inaction is not morally obligated, especially when I am not even remotely involved or it does not remotely concern me. If I am understanding your perspectively correctly, the irony is simply that you do not understand that clandestine action is actually orchestrating and instigating the supposed death you imply could be prevented through additional action you are being manipulated into taking/supporting. Yes, there is nothing new under the sun, including the very same playbook that is being used now that was used repeatedly over the lifetime of every very young children here, let alone anyone that has reached legal maturity. What else would you call that the Shah was thick with the CIA. et al. and his son basically lives across the river from the CIA in Potomac, MD? I am also liberal in many ways, but these are just true things. Have you ever heard of The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matè. They provide a good introduction to current and recent events focused on this topic.

thomassmith65 8mo ago
If you knew something about me, you would realize just how wrong that is. Yes, that dawned on me half-way down the comment, at which point I - maybe unfairly - put you in the radical box and gave up on communicating. I can tell we'd find each other's positions equally inhumane and naive, and the whole thing would be irritating for us both.