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A reminder that American economic sanctions are a primary cause of the situation that causes protests against the Iranian government. Our government is attempti

A reminder that American economic sanctions are a primary cause of the situation that causes protests against the Iranian government. Our government is attempting to destroy Iran, an independent nation that is not our enemy. When will American students stage a large scale anti-government protest against the regime? Oh right, the billionaires and zionist lobby cracked down on the encampments with the (violent) help of police and by firing three Ivy League Presidents to coerce the entire educational system to abandon whatever liberal principles remained. No war on Iran.

hunterpayne 8mo ago
Liberal doesn't mean Democrat. And those Ivies largely purged anyone who was actually Liberal years ago. But sure, keep blaming the Jews, it doesn't at all make you look conspiratorial. I will never understand why extremist groups all have that in common.
- tehjoker 8mo ago
  I'm Jewish and anti-zionist. I meant liberalism as in the commitment to enlightenment principles. At one point, the Republican party also shared that base commitment even if it wanted the 1890s version of that.
reliabilityguy 8mo ago
> independent nation that is not our enemy. That is why when they chant "Death to America" they mean that they love us?
- tehjoker 8mo ago
  They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us.
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    > They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Given Irans track record wrt women rights, and inability of Iranians to accept violence toward their women, IR doesn’t need the US or anyone else to destroy their society. > Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us. Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them?
    - tehjoker 8mo ago
      Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. We can support change in Iranian society without calling for the destruction of their government by any means necessary. I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. > Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them? I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s.
      - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        > Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. IR is not deprived of essential goods. They are trading with all the neighbors and many international partners. > Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. Do you mean cultural practice of beating women to death for refusal to wear hijab? What is exactly the voice these women have? > I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. No, I am not. FWIW saudis seem to be totally fine with their ruling family. Iranians, on the other hand, are not. There is a huge difference between what we see in Iran, and what we see in SA. Moreover, saudis do no chant “death to america”, do not believe in the spread of Islamic revolution, and are not working on nuclear weapons. > I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. Can you explain to me how did you get from me pointing out that IR is a regime governed by the idea of spreading Islamic revolution and random African countries? > You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s. lol no. You can’t spread democracy if locals don’t believe in democracy. Iranians believe in democracy, and they do have a chance once the regime is gone, or, at least they give up their nukes, and stop enrichment. If Iran has nukes, Saudis and others in the region would want nukes. I think we need to have fewer nukes in the world and not more.
fortzi 8mo ago
What’s all that burning of American flag, chanting “death to america”, and calling the USA “the great devil” all about then? Playful banter?
gerash 8mo ago
Of course, Nancy Pelosi and Scott Bessent were bragging about it in Munich

hunterpayne 8mo ago

Liberal doesn't mean Democrat. And those Ivies largely purged anyone who was actually Liberal years ago. But sure, keep blaming the Jews, it doesn't at all make you look conspiratorial. I will never understand why extremist groups all have that in common.

tehjoker 8mo ago
I'm Jewish and anti-zionist. I meant liberalism as in the commitment to enlightenment principles. At one point, the Republican party also shared that base commitment even if it wanted the 1890s version of that.

reliabilityguy 8mo ago

> independent nation that is not our enemy. That is why when they chant "Death to America" they mean that they love us?

tehjoker 8mo ago
They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  > They hate the government that is trying to destroy their entire society. Given Irans track record wrt women rights, and inability of Iranians to accept violence toward their women, IR doesn’t need the US or anyone else to destroy their society. > Stop attacking a country half-way around the world, they will stop even thinking about us. Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them?
  - tehjoker 8mo ago
    Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. We can support change in Iranian society without calling for the destruction of their government by any means necessary. I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. > Why would they? IR is ruled by radical Muslims who believe in spreading the rule of Islamic Revolution. Why should we not believe them? I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s.
    - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
      > Any society will collapse if deprived of essential goods by an external force. IR is not deprived of essential goods. They are trading with all the neighbors and many international partners. > Cultural practices that we disagree with can be remediated through peaceful means or at least settled by Iranians. It's not like women aren't capable of resistance or their own political voice. Do you mean cultural practice of beating women to death for refusal to wear hijab? What is exactly the voice these women have? > I presume you also wish to invade U.S. ally Saudi Arabia. No, I am not. FWIW saudis seem to be totally fine with their ruling family. Iranians, on the other hand, are not. There is a huge difference between what we see in Iran, and what we see in SA. Moreover, saudis do no chant “death to america”, do not believe in the spread of Islamic revolution, and are not working on nuclear weapons. > I also presume you also spend all day thinking about how you wish to destroy random African countries you barely know the name of. Can you explain to me how did you get from me pointing out that IR is a regime governed by the idea of spreading Islamic revolution and random African countries? > You believe in spreading "democracy" like a French revolutionary from the early 1800s. lol no. You can’t spread democracy if locals don’t believe in democracy. Iranians believe in democracy, and they do have a chance once the regime is gone, or, at least they give up their nukes, and stop enrichment. If Iran has nukes, Saudis and others in the region would want nukes. I think we need to have fewer nukes in the world and not more.

fortzi 8mo ago

What’s all that burning of American flag, chanting “death to america”, and calling the USA “the great devil” all about then? Playful banter?

gerash 8mo ago

Of course, Nancy Pelosi and Scott Bessent were bragging about it in Munich