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*everything. I've really been using it since 4.x. Imagine this: being able to upgrade a system in-place with freebsd-update from minor to major to minor version

by gtech1 7mo ago

*everything. I've really been using it since 4.x. Imagine this: being able to upgrade a system in-place with freebsd-update from minor to major to minor version without everything breaking or having to say a prayer before. And that's just one thing I love about it. Clear separation of userland (/usr/local/etc), rock-solid stability in networking, zfs on root. I had to do 'bonded' interfaces on Debian the other day. It's what, 5 different config files depending on which 'network manager' you use. In FreeBSD it's 5 lines in /etc/rc.conf and you're done. And don't even get me started on betting which distribution (ahem CentOS) will go away next.

irishcoffee 7mo ago
Centos didn’t go away. It changed. Rocky (et. al.) took the old centos role, and I see this as a win/win for everybody. Ubuntu is the disaster Linux distro, I won’t touch Ubuntu if I have any other option.
- gtech1 7mo ago
  I actually laughed out loud. Try upgrading CentOS to Rocky vs FreeBSD 11 to 15 ( that's FOUR major versions from 2017 I think ), and tell me again how good it is. In LTS environments where I need to upgrade OS's, FreeBSD is a no-brainer.
  - irishcoffee 7mo ago
    > I actually laughed out loud. Try upgrading CentOS to Rocky vs FreeBSD 11 to 15 ( that's FOUR major versions from 2017 I think ), and tell me again how good it is. I laughed out loud, there is no in-place upgrade mechanism for that in those distros and never has been, that is the nature of those distros. They release patch/security updates until they go EOL, which is measured in units closer to decades than years. I don’t have a problem with BSDs. That’s cool you like upgrading in place. The best and most laugh-inducing part of your whole point is that centos now not only allows you to do in-place upgrades, that’s the whole fucking point.
    - gtech1 7mo ago
      So then what's the point of mentioning Rocky as CentOS's successor ? In what way is it 'succeeding' ? That you can do a fresh install of Rocky ? And those stuck on CentOS can't upgrade ? Really useful those decades of support if your distro goes belly up
      - irishcoffee 7mo ago
        You don’t know this ecosystem, clearly. I’m not going to explain it to you much more than I did. Centos was the free version of red hat. Like redhat, centos never fucking ever offered in-place upgrades. Centos moved to stream as a sandbox for redhat, and rocky took over as the free redhat. Ask an LLM or something, this level of ignorance is unbecoming.
        gtech1 7mo ago
        And knowing all this you still can't see what the use case might be for BSD ?
        irishcoffee 7mo ago
        > And knowing all this you still can't see what the use case might be for BSD ? When did I ever suggest anything that would give you that idea?
        gtech1 7mo ago
        So what's your point then ? That these are toy/homelab distros ? If so, then we are in agreement
        irishcoffee 7mo ago
        You should go re-read this. All I said was I hated ubuntu. I don't even know what paradigm you're inquiring from at this point, and I have no clue how to answer your question. We were never in agreement or disagreement. You've been arguing against a stance I don't have. BSDs are cool. They pushed the OS ball forward on server/home computing, video game consoles, etc. Linux is also cool, they pushed the OS ball forward on server/home computing, video game consoles, etc. There is a long and storied history of computer operating systems. This conversation has shown me you're not aware of said history. You should go learn yourself up some.

by gtech1 7mo ago

irishcoffee 7mo ago

Centos didn’t go away. It changed. Rocky (et. al.) took the old centos role, and I see this as a win/win for everybody. Ubuntu is the disaster Linux distro, I won’t touch Ubuntu if I have any other option.

gtech1 7mo ago
I actually laughed out loud. Try upgrading CentOS to Rocky vs FreeBSD 11 to 15 ( that's FOUR major versions from 2017 I think ), and tell me again how good it is. In LTS environments where I need to upgrade OS's, FreeBSD is a no-brainer.
- irishcoffee 7mo ago
  > I actually laughed out loud. Try upgrading CentOS to Rocky vs FreeBSD 11 to 15 ( that's FOUR major versions from 2017 I think ), and tell me again how good it is. I laughed out loud, there is no in-place upgrade mechanism for that in those distros and never has been, that is the nature of those distros. They release patch/security updates until they go EOL, which is measured in units closer to decades than years. I don’t have a problem with BSDs. That’s cool you like upgrading in place. The best and most laugh-inducing part of your whole point is that centos now not only allows you to do in-place upgrades, that’s the whole fucking point.
  - gtech1 7mo ago
    So then what's the point of mentioning Rocky as CentOS's successor ? In what way is it 'succeeding' ? That you can do a fresh install of Rocky ? And those stuck on CentOS can't upgrade ? Really useful those decades of support if your distro goes belly up
    - irishcoffee 7mo ago
      You don’t know this ecosystem, clearly. I’m not going to explain it to you much more than I did. Centos was the free version of red hat. Like redhat, centos never fucking ever offered in-place upgrades. Centos moved to stream as a sandbox for redhat, and rocky took over as the free redhat. Ask an LLM or something, this level of ignorance is unbecoming.
      - gtech1 7mo ago
        And knowing all this you still can't see what the use case might be for BSD ?
        irishcoffee 7mo ago
        > And knowing all this you still can't see what the use case might be for BSD ? When did I ever suggest anything that would give you that idea?
        gtech1 7mo ago
        So what's your point then ? That these are toy/homelab distros ? If so, then we are in agreement
        irishcoffee 7mo ago
        You should go re-read this. All I said was I hated ubuntu. I don't even know what paradigm you're inquiring from at this point, and I have no clue how to answer your question. We were never in agreement or disagreement. You've been arguing against a stance I don't have. BSDs are cool. They pushed the OS ball forward on server/home computing, video game consoles, etc. Linux is also cool, they pushed the OS ball forward on server/home computing, video game consoles, etc. There is a long and storied history of computer operating systems. This conversation has shown me you're not aware of said history. You should go learn yourself up some.