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> all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine > I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist Palestine ≠ Hamas Pro-Palestinian ≠

> all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine > I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist Palestine ≠ Hamas Pro-Palestinian ≠ Pro-Hamas If you genuinely don't believe a significant number of people support the former but not the latter, I... don't even know what to tell you. It certainly says a lot that you can neither distinguish these two nor believe anyone else sees a distinction. > They don't consistently care about any particular type of human suffering. Just opposing Zionists People are not numbers for your narrative. Whether on a population chart or on a death chart. Again: you're ignoring more than half a century of history and extremely relevant differences regarding how each got into their current situations, whom the involved parties were, what the current situations even are, and what their futures might look like... and more. Just because the number of deaths appears to have reached a similar order of magnitude that does not mean anyone who fails to display the same reaction to the situations the two groups of people have been in is a hypocrite.

Rover222 7mo ago
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- dataflow 7mo ago
  > all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine > very vocal pro-Hamas activist > Wearing the kaffiyeh is explicitly pro-Hamas and Genocidal towards Israel. It's pretty simple. OK, simple enough. And you said you are friends with such pro-Hamas, pro-genocidal people? > I know know why you insist on acting You clearly neither know what I'm doing (certainly it's not acting), nor why, but feel free to believe as you wish. > like that's not happening. Nobody said that's that's not also happening. What I said is there are many, many pro-Palestinians who emphatically do not support Hamas, and you're lumping them together with people who support both (yes, they also exist). If anyone is insisting on anything, it's you insisting on not making the distinction between these positions or groups, for some reason. And apparently on keeping said pro-Hamas/pro-genocide people as your friends (?!) but I'll avoid speculating why; I imagine you must have extremely compelling reasons.
- Rover222 7mo ago
  * don't know why
- basisword 7mo ago
  So your logic is that wearing an item of clothing is 'genocidal'. Israel killing 20,000 children...is self-defence?
  - Rover222 7mo ago
    Oh please. Hamas's primary mission is the elimination of Israel. Wearing that bandana obviously shows support for Hamas.
    - basisword 7mo ago
      Good job dodging the 20k dead children.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > Wearing the kaffiyeh is explicitly pro-Hamas One, is it actually? (EDIT: I don't think it is [1]. This seems to be another case where American pro-Palestinian activist culture may be getting confused with actual Palestinian culture.) Two, I'm going to be almost everyone in America wearing one doesn't know that. (We're not the most internationally-literate population. I can't even begin to imagine what fraction of #StopKony posters in the early 2010s could have placed Uganda on a map.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_keffiyeh#Appropriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_keffiyeh#Appropria...
fortzi 7mo ago
Maybe you should ask a few Palestinians before making such statements. Polls made by respected Palestinian surveyors show immense support for Hamas by Palestinians [1]. If you dig inti the polls, you’ll find great support in continuing the armed conflict. I’ll add: to the last man standing. While I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing, Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and still does to an extent), without broad support from the population. [1] https://www.pcpsr.org/ https://www.pcpsr.org/
- bigyabai 7mo ago
  Even still, that data does not refute the parent's point that you are making a false equivalency. Polling Israeli or US citizens on the extremist groups they support would be similarly dishonest; organizations like ICE, Blackwater and Irgun cannot be fairly conflated with their respective populations regardless of how the majority feels.
  - Rover222 7mo ago
    Palestinians voted Hamas into power by a large majority. It's not some fringe extremist group. It's mainstream Palestinian culture.
    - Hikikomori 7mo ago
      "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."
      - fortzi 7mo ago
        Right, the current Israeli administration is horrible, especially the far right that keeps it alive. I invite you to oppose that government and help the opposition take power. Instead, you’re making the opposition weaker by putting all the Israelis in one basket. You should read about the Oslo accords and the failed talks at Camp David. This is to say that Israel has been trying for a long time to make peace with the Palestinians. Them not wanting has led most to give up and stop fighting the extremists.

Rover222 7mo ago

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dataflow 7mo ago
> all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine > very vocal pro-Hamas activist > Wearing the kaffiyeh is explicitly pro-Hamas and Genocidal towards Israel. It's pretty simple. OK, simple enough. And you said you are friends with such pro-Hamas, pro-genocidal people? > I know know why you insist on acting You clearly neither know what I'm doing (certainly it's not acting), nor why, but feel free to believe as you wish. > like that's not happening. Nobody said that's that's not also happening. What I said is there are many, many pro-Palestinians who emphatically do not support Hamas, and you're lumping them together with people who support both (yes, they also exist). If anyone is insisting on anything, it's you insisting on not making the distinction between these positions or groups, for some reason. And apparently on keeping said pro-Hamas/pro-genocide people as your friends (?!) but I'll avoid speculating why; I imagine you must have extremely compelling reasons.
Rover222 7mo ago
* don't know why
basisword 7mo ago
So your logic is that wearing an item of clothing is 'genocidal'. Israel killing 20,000 children...is self-defence?
- Rover222 7mo ago
  Oh please. Hamas's primary mission is the elimination of Israel. Wearing that bandana obviously shows support for Hamas.
  - basisword 7mo ago
    Good job dodging the 20k dead children.
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> Wearing the kaffiyeh is explicitly pro-Hamas One, is it actually? (EDIT: I don't think it is [1]. This seems to be another case where American pro-Palestinian activist culture may be getting confused with actual Palestinian culture.) Two, I'm going to be almost everyone in America wearing one doesn't know that. (We're not the most internationally-literate population. I can't even begin to imagine what fraction of #StopKony posters in the early 2010s could have placed Uganda on a map.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_keffiyeh#Appropriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_keffiyeh#Appropria...

fortzi 7mo ago

Maybe you should ask a few Palestinians before making such statements. Polls made by respected Palestinian surveyors show immense support for Hamas by Palestinians [1]. If you dig inti the polls, you’ll find great support in continuing the armed conflict. I’ll add: to the last man standing. While I agree with you that Hamas and the Palestinians are not one thing, Hamas would not be able to operate the way it did (and still does to an extent), without broad support from the population. [1] https://www.pcpsr.org/ https://www.pcpsr.org/

bigyabai 7mo ago
Even still, that data does not refute the parent's point that you are making a false equivalency. Polling Israeli or US citizens on the extremist groups they support would be similarly dishonest; organizations like ICE, Blackwater and Irgun cannot be fairly conflated with their respective populations regardless of how the majority feels.
- Rover222 7mo ago
  Palestinians voted Hamas into power by a large majority. It's not some fringe extremist group. It's mainstream Palestinian culture.
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."
    - fortzi 7mo ago
      Right, the current Israeli administration is horrible, especially the far right that keeps it alive. I invite you to oppose that government and help the opposition take power. Instead, you’re making the opposition weaker by putting all the Israelis in one basket. You should read about the Oslo accords and the failed talks at Camp David. This is to say that Israel has been trying for a long time to make peace with the Palestinians. Them not wanting has led most to give up and stop fighting the extremists.