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We (the US) just bombed Iran last summer. We are moving the largest buildup in decades of armament and materiel to Iran's doorstep RIGHT NOW, and it seems extre

• Rover222 7mo ago
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  • Archio 7mo ago
    >That crowd only seems to care if they can actively oppose Israel or the current administration Can you think of any motivating reasons for the crowd to focus on Israel specifically? Last I checked, the American government isn't sending billions of dollars of weaponry and political cover to the Iranian government, so that is one massive reason why protesting Israel makes more sense. >have not made a peep about the thousands of Iranians recently murdered by their regime I don't protest to signal my moral outrage, I do it to effect change in my elected leaders. It's not my responsibility to devote an equal amount of attention to every injustice — ignoring the cause and effects in that injustice with direct connection to politicians beholden to me — because people like you will find it "disturbing".
    • Rapzid 7mo ago
      > ...disturbed that all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine... > I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas... See how quickly things have turned from the first post manufactured to seem reasonable? No more "Curious" and "just asking questions". How many pro-Hamas friends can a person have?! I don't know a single pro-Hamas person myself. I believe you are being taken for a ride friend.
      • Rover222 7mo ago
        You don't know anyone who wore the scarf?
      • hunterpayne 7mo ago
        That's projection. Because it is nearly impossible in practice split support as you claim you are. HAMAS is the government in Gaza. They intercept any and all aid that isn't administered directly to Palestinians. Also the questionable version of the history of the region that you have to believe (or be completely ignorant of the history) to support the Palestinians is entirely a HAMAS narrative. If you actually knew the history, you would know that while all Palestinians moved to the Levant voluntarily in the last 150 years, most of the Jews in Israel were moved by force by Muslims. If Palestinians were upset by lots of Jews in the Levant, they should be mad at other Muslims countries as they were the ones who moved most Jews there. You just make these claims to avoid any accountability of your actions. That tracks because the HAMAS narratives completely do the same, so its easier for you to accept. PS Most of the videos that swayed you were AI generated.
        • Rover222 7mo ago
          Great comment
        • bigyabai 7mo ago
          > PS Most of the videos that swayed you were AI generated. This is an absolutely insane and downright insulting claim to make about anyone. You should feel ashamed of saying something as utterly indefensible as this.
          • Rapzid 7mo ago
            Still taking people for a ride. User said "you" but I never offered a position on the matter. Bot, agitator, troll, or etc Other account the same.
        • thrance 7mo ago
          So what you're saying is that Palestinians all deserve to die because they gave their support to HAMAS when their neighbor was slowly colonizing their land and expropriating them. Meanwhile, the US should provide Israel with as much weapons and funding as necessary to help them achieve their overt genocidal agenda. And the people that call for the killings to end are actually just terrorists that you don't have to listen to. Got it. Speaking of projection, damn...
    • Rover222 7mo ago
      So you want you elected leaders to save Palestinians (perfectly reasonable), but don't want your elected leaders to consider doing something out when thousands are being massacred in the street? You really think if the US wasn't supporting Israel, no one would have cared about Gaza?
      • pessimizer 7mo ago
        > So you want you elected leaders to save Palestinians I don't want that. I want them to stop paying Israelis with our money to kill Palestinians. If they want to do atrocities, they can do it on their own dime.
        • fortzi 7mo ago
          Sorry, but it sounds crazy to me, I don’t know what to make of that. Do you care about those people or not? Sorry, unless I’m missing something, what you said just sounds like a cop out.
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          • ipv6ipv4 7mo ago
            That's because it is a cop out. When talking about Israel, it's always couched in terms of universal human rights. When confronted with their lack of advocacy for the human rights of practically anyone else, their cognitive fallback is that they only care for what they feel the U.S. government is responsible for, and that it's not really about universal human rights, and never was. Then, when no one is paying attention anymore, they swing back to being avowed universal human rights activists who just happen to be condemning Israel.
    • creato 7mo ago
      > I don't protest to signal my moral outrage, I do it to effect change in my elected leaders. How'd that work out for you?
  • dataflow 7mo ago
    > all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine > I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist Palestine ≠ Hamas Pro-Palestinian ≠ Pro-Hamas If you genuinely don't believe a significant number of people support the former but not the latter, I... don't even know what to tell you. It certainly says a lot that you can neither distinguish these two nor believe anyone else sees a distinction. > They don't consistently care about any particular type of human suffering. Just opposing Zionists People are not numbers for your narrative. Whether on a population chart or on a death chart. Again: you're ignoring more than half a century of history and extremely relevant differences regarding how each got into their current situations, whom the involved parties were, what the current situations even are, and what their futures might look like... and more. Just because the number of deaths appears to have reached a similar order of magnitude that does not mean anyone who fails to display the same reaction to the situations the two groups of people have been in is a hypocrite.
    • Rover222 7mo ago
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      • dataflow 7mo ago
        > all my friends who posted non-stop about supporting Palestine > very vocal pro-Hamas activist > Wearing the kaffiyeh is explicitly pro-Hamas and Genocidal towards Israel. It's pretty simple. OK, simple enough. And you said you are friends with such pro-Hamas, pro-genocidal people? > I know know why you insist on acting You clearly neither know what I'm doing (certainly it's not acting), nor why, but feel free to believe as you wish. > like that's not happening. Nobody said that's that's not also happening. What I said is there are many, many pro-Palestinians who emphatically do not support Hamas, and you're lumping them together with people who support both (yes, they also exist). If anyone is insisting on anything, it's you insisting on not making the distinction between these positions or groups, for some reason. And apparently on keeping said pro-Hamas/pro-genocide people as your friends (?!) but I'll avoid speculating why; I imagine you must have extremely compelling reasons.
      • Rover222 7mo ago
  • pydry 7mo ago
    >I'm saying if you were a very vocal pro-Hamas activist "Pro hamas activist" has become the calling card of deeply committed western and israeli islamophobes. Much like their close cousins, the holocaust denying anti semite, they almost universally refuse to recognize the UN recognized genocide in gaza. >That crowd only seems to care if they can actively oppose Israel or the current administration Im sure if the current administration backed a genocide in another country they would passionately oppose that too. Unlike dedicated islamophobes, anti racists are consistent.
    • Rover222 7mo ago
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      • foobiekr 7mo ago
        How would releasing the prisoners stop the settlers and other issues? What Israel has been doing for decades at this point is completely unacceptable. Hamas is a bunch of terrorists, but in context they are the inevitable outcome of Israel's continuous mistreatment and ongoing antagonism against all of their neighbors stretching on for fifty years. You really have to wonder what the hell is wrong with the Israelis that they can't stop being aggressive towards literally everyone around them.
        • Rover222 7mo ago
          Agreed that Israel could have taken another path the last couple decades, but it's also unreasonable to omit that they are surrounded by neighbors that want to kill them. Iran and their proxies.
  • basisword 7mo ago
    >> pro-Hamas activist You've let your true colors show through... People were angry at the world allowing a genocide to occur and at their own countries actively supporting that genocide. It was also a genocide going on for several years allowing momentum to build and anger to grow. The most recent Iranian uprising lasted a few weeks. I would be more upset that Trump told the poor Iranians to protest and that he would support them if violence was used against them - and he let them die by the thousand. He told them "help is on the way". It wasn't.
    • fortzi 7mo ago
      Can you clarify what you mean by Genocide? It seems like this definition has become very fluid
      • _hf1g 7mo ago
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    • Rover222 7mo ago
      There are are actual genocides happening in the world.
      • basisword 7mo ago
        Yes, in Gaza.
        • Rover222 7mo ago
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          • dang 7mo ago
            You've been breaking the site guidelines quite a lot in this thread by posting flamebait and crossing into personal attack. That's not ok, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note this one, among others: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
• nsvd2 7mo ago
  It's possible, of course, to oppose the Ayatollah as a dictatorial regime and oppose excessive American intervention.
  • pessimizer 7mo ago
    It's not, really, if you are now ignoring all of the dictatorial theocracies that we support enthusiastically, and focusing on the ones that America is looking for an excuse to intervene in. And this is not a "why focus on this thing when there are other things" fake argument. These protests were engineered by people with the intention of intervening, and a lot of that engineering the involved manipulation of western media narratives and the creation of fake organizations to become sources of information. It's not coincidence or luck that you're focused on Iran; people were sitting around planning an invasion of Iran and part of their planning was "How can we get the public to focus on Iran enough to give Congress cover to ignore another Executive war?" The actual narrative, undisputed by even the people involved, is that 1) a currency crash was intentionally instigated in Iran by the West, which caused protests. We have bragged about this. 2) Many of the educated Iranian middle class joined these protests to argue against the regime in general, which they always do. 3) US and Israeli-supported terrorist organizations took advantage of those protests (like a black bloc) to start burning down buildings and burning cops alive, armed by the west and networked through smuggled Skylink terminals, 4) the US and Israel bragged that the protests were materially supported by covert western intelligence in order to push the crackdown to atrocity levels, and to eliminate even the general public's support for the protests (which would be some restraint to the government.) They literally said that many of the protesters were Mossad agents. You might as well be saying "please kill them." It's as if Al Qaeda announced that they were materially supporting and completely infiltrating BLM protests, and when many BLM activists were arrested, they were carrying Al Qaeda satellite terminals and arms smuggled from Pakistan. (The Iranian middle class was even out, because they aren't traitors, they just don't want to live in a theocracy. The West are who turned Iran into a dictatorship by replacing Mossadegh with the Shah. The West helped Iraq use chemical weapons against Iran. We care nothing about Iranians, we just want to steal from them. We're thieves, and we're consciously moving to a economic strategy of piracy in order to take advantage of our navy.) 5) The US moved as much navy to bear on Iran as it did when it invaded Iraq, and said that unless some magic words were said that nobody knows, it would invade. You might be comfortable being manipulated like this, but I am not.