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I cant imagine the courage that is needed to take part in these protests. Most here, the most revolutionary act they will ever participate on in their life, is

I cant imagine the courage that is needed to take part in these protests. Most here, the most revolutionary act they will ever participate on in their life, is criticizing their boss choice of Azure as cloud provider...

pcurve 8mo ago
I couldn’t do it. Much respect for them. In the 80s when Korea was under quasi military regime, there were many street protests. Molotov cocktails and tear gas being exchanged. Some killed, many beaten down by riot police. Most were led by students.
CommanderData 8mo ago
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- gambutin 8mo ago
  Iranians are not "just" Arabs. They speak their own language called Farsi, which has Indo-European roots. Their culture is overall very different and goes back before Islamic conquest of Iran.
  - hunterpayne 8mo ago
    Iranians aren't Arabs at all. Most Arabs are Muslims but even then, they are a different type of Muslim. KSA and Iran go at each other all the time. The GP is really off base here.
- thomassmith65 8mo ago
  The two nations had good relations until 1979, which is a problem for this person's world view.
  - roysting 8mo ago
    I have no dog in a fight, in which you seem to really care about Iran, which is totally irrelevant, meaningless, and inconsequential to the USA or its national interests or national security; but the war machine relies on fools to fun smoothly. You do realize though that you are morally and ethically and spiritually culpable and responsible for the murder of the people that will die due to the support you provide to that end, you do realize that, right? Maybe tell your children tonight when you get home that "I support that children like you be blown up and their families and communities be destroyed". They may ask you "why would you support something like that, dad?" and you will only be able to say "because the colonial puppet Shah regime used to have good relations with the country founded by terrorists (the Haganah, the Irgun (ETZEL), the Stern and the LEHI) we call Israel today, you know, the ones that supported Epstein that liked raping children like you, which has manipulated me into caring more about killing other people children because I cannot think for myself or realize what awful things they have me supporting!" ... "Good night children. May there not ever be someone as awful as me in the world that decides to bomb you or your children in the future for others who have manipulated them to be awful."
    - thomassmith65 8mo ago
      but the war machine relies on fools to fun smoothly There is nothing new under the sun. Interwar pacifists made these arguments 100 years ago. They have some merit, but they weren't then and aren't now the full picture. You do realize though that you are morally and ethically and spiritually culpable and responsible for the murder Inaction also results in death. colonial puppet Shah regime There is no point arguing from here on. To my liberal brain, it just comes off as Baader–Meinhof nonsense. We are not going to agree about anything.
      - roysting 8mo ago
        I'm not at all a pacifist. If you knew something about me, you would realize just how wrong that is. I am merely opposed to being used, manipulated, played, conned, scammed, f-ed, and more colorful language I will retain for myself. And sure, inaction may or may not result in death, but inaction is not morally obligated, especially when I am not even remotely involved or it does not remotely concern me. If I am understanding your perspectively correctly, the irony is simply that you do not understand that clandestine action is actually orchestrating and instigating the supposed death you imply could be prevented through additional action you are being manipulated into taking/supporting. Yes, there is nothing new under the sun, including the very same playbook that is being used now that was used repeatedly over the lifetime of every very young children here, let alone anyone that has reached legal maturity. What else would you call that the Shah was thick with the CIA. et al. and his son basically lives across the river from the CIA in Potomac, MD? I am also liberal in many ways, but these are just true things. Have you ever heard of The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matè. They provide a good introduction to current and recent events focused on this topic.
- fortzi 8mo ago
  Arabs are about 2% of Iran’s population [1], and most of the rest will be insulted if you called them arabs to their face. Many see themselves better than arabs, and many more are mad about the arab occupation that brought Islam to take over the then-dominant faith of Zoroastrianism. The average Israeli doesn’t hate the average Iranian. Israeli social media is full of posts about how people hope to one day visit Tehran. No, not as an occupier, get over yourself. Your hate blinds you. [1] https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2014/sep/24/report-arab-minority-faces-discrimination https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2014/sep/24/report-arab-min...
  - gambutin 8mo ago
    Is it fair to call it colonialism instead of occupation?
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > Is it fair to call it colonialism instead of occupation? EDIT: Nvm.
      - gambutin 8mo ago
        I was referring to the Arab conquest of Iran after 633.
        reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        It’s colonialism. Edit: a modern example of it is the introduction of arabic language in Iranian schools after the revolution because arabic is the language of the Quran. A similar thing is done by China w.r.t. uighurs, which are not allowed to teach their language, and culture in schools, it has to be only Mandarin. Or, in Turkey, where by constitution it is prohibited to use any non-Turkish language as a language of instruction in schools. So yeah.
        JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
- y-c-o-m-b 8mo ago
  > Iranians are related to Arabs at the end of the day Oof, this is a catastrophic screw-up and very offensive. I think you have some serious homework to do. Iranians are very distinct from Arabs in many ways; different language, different sect of Islam (which many of the civilians - particularly the youth - privately denounce), different culture. Iranians are about as much Arab as they are British. The country has been significantly invaded by many other countries throughout the ages, but the ethnicity remains distinct.
SilverElfin 8mo ago
Yep. I think in America most would be scared of what ICE and DHS would do to them. Hard to imagine facing off an authoritarian militaristic government.
pphysch 8mo ago
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- fortzi 8mo ago
  Iran is not an adversary of Israel, as much as the IRGC is.
  - jfengel 8mo ago
    Any subsequent government isn't likely to be a friend of Israel, either. They might decide to stop actively funding attacks and put the money to better use, but I wouldn't be so sure of that. It's the basis of a lot of ally relationships that they will want to maintain.
    - breppp 8mo ago
      Why? a non-religious Iran would have difficulty maintaining alliances with islamist organizations such as PMF and Hezbollah that were used to slaughter Iranian protestors. Also, like Syria it would probably pivot to a US-led alliance
    - ch4s3 8mo ago
      Iran had good relations with Israel prior to 1979 and never persecuted or expelled its Jews after 1948 unlike every other country in the region. In fact there’s a great degree of very old cultural affinity between Persians and Jews. A secular Iran is likely to have very close ties with Israel if for no other reason than as a backlash to the excesses of the cleracy.
    - fortzi 8mo ago
      I agree, we don’t know what comes after bad leadership. Maybe a worse one. I’m afraid there isn’t much worse than a leadership that openly states that Israel should be destroyed, while developing a nuclear program. Maybe a similar but more competent leadership is worse.
  - pphysch 8mo ago
    Are Iranians supposed to believe that after Israel destroyed every hospital and university in Gaza? Insulting. The IRGC is under every brick and pebble.
roysting 8mo ago
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pcurve 8mo ago

I couldn’t do it. Much respect for them. In the 80s when Korea was under quasi military regime, there were many street protests. Molotov cocktails and tear gas being exchanged. Some killed, many beaten down by riot police. Most were led by students.

CommanderData 8mo ago

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gambutin 8mo ago
Iranians are not "just" Arabs. They speak their own language called Farsi, which has Indo-European roots. Their culture is overall very different and goes back before Islamic conquest of Iran.
- hunterpayne 8mo ago
  Iranians aren't Arabs at all. Most Arabs are Muslims but even then, they are a different type of Muslim. KSA and Iran go at each other all the time. The GP is really off base here.
thomassmith65 8mo ago
The two nations had good relations until 1979, which is a problem for this person's world view.
- roysting 8mo ago
  I have no dog in a fight, in which you seem to really care about Iran, which is totally irrelevant, meaningless, and inconsequential to the USA or its national interests or national security; but the war machine relies on fools to fun smoothly. You do realize though that you are morally and ethically and spiritually culpable and responsible for the murder of the people that will die due to the support you provide to that end, you do realize that, right? Maybe tell your children tonight when you get home that "I support that children like you be blown up and their families and communities be destroyed". They may ask you "why would you support something like that, dad?" and you will only be able to say "because the colonial puppet Shah regime used to have good relations with the country founded by terrorists (the Haganah, the Irgun (ETZEL), the Stern and the LEHI) we call Israel today, you know, the ones that supported Epstein that liked raping children like you, which has manipulated me into caring more about killing other people children because I cannot think for myself or realize what awful things they have me supporting!" ... "Good night children. May there not ever be someone as awful as me in the world that decides to bomb you or your children in the future for others who have manipulated them to be awful."
  - thomassmith65 8mo ago
    but the war machine relies on fools to fun smoothly There is nothing new under the sun. Interwar pacifists made these arguments 100 years ago. They have some merit, but they weren't then and aren't now the full picture. You do realize though that you are morally and ethically and spiritually culpable and responsible for the murder Inaction also results in death. colonial puppet Shah regime There is no point arguing from here on. To my liberal brain, it just comes off as Baader–Meinhof nonsense. We are not going to agree about anything.
    - roysting 8mo ago
      I'm not at all a pacifist. If you knew something about me, you would realize just how wrong that is. I am merely opposed to being used, manipulated, played, conned, scammed, f-ed, and more colorful language I will retain for myself. And sure, inaction may or may not result in death, but inaction is not morally obligated, especially when I am not even remotely involved or it does not remotely concern me. If I am understanding your perspectively correctly, the irony is simply that you do not understand that clandestine action is actually orchestrating and instigating the supposed death you imply could be prevented through additional action you are being manipulated into taking/supporting. Yes, there is nothing new under the sun, including the very same playbook that is being used now that was used repeatedly over the lifetime of every very young children here, let alone anyone that has reached legal maturity. What else would you call that the Shah was thick with the CIA. et al. and his son basically lives across the river from the CIA in Potomac, MD? I am also liberal in many ways, but these are just true things. Have you ever heard of The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matè. They provide a good introduction to current and recent events focused on this topic.
fortzi 8mo ago
Arabs are about 2% of Iran’s population [1], and most of the rest will be insulted if you called them arabs to their face. Many see themselves better than arabs, and many more are mad about the arab occupation that brought Islam to take over the then-dominant faith of Zoroastrianism. The average Israeli doesn’t hate the average Iranian. Israeli social media is full of posts about how people hope to one day visit Tehran. No, not as an occupier, get over yourself. Your hate blinds you. [1] https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2014/sep/24/report-arab-minority-faces-discrimination https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2014/sep/24/report-arab-min...
- gambutin 8mo ago
  Is it fair to call it colonialism instead of occupation?
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > Is it fair to call it colonialism instead of occupation? EDIT: Nvm.
    - gambutin 8mo ago
      I was referring to the Arab conquest of Iran after 633.
      - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        It’s colonialism. Edit: a modern example of it is the introduction of arabic language in Iranian schools after the revolution because arabic is the language of the Quran. A similar thing is done by China w.r.t. uighurs, which are not allowed to teach their language, and culture in schools, it has to be only Mandarin. Or, in Turkey, where by constitution it is prohibited to use any non-Turkish language as a language of instruction in schools. So yeah.
        JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
y-c-o-m-b 8mo ago
> Iranians are related to Arabs at the end of the day Oof, this is a catastrophic screw-up and very offensive. I think you have some serious homework to do. Iranians are very distinct from Arabs in many ways; different language, different sect of Islam (which many of the civilians - particularly the youth - privately denounce), different culture. Iranians are about as much Arab as they are British. The country has been significantly invaded by many other countries throughout the ages, but the ethnicity remains distinct.

SilverElfin 8mo ago

Yep. I think in America most would be scared of what ICE and DHS would do to them. Hard to imagine facing off an authoritarian militaristic government.

pphysch 8mo ago

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fortzi 8mo ago
Iran is not an adversary of Israel, as much as the IRGC is.
- jfengel 8mo ago
  Any subsequent government isn't likely to be a friend of Israel, either. They might decide to stop actively funding attacks and put the money to better use, but I wouldn't be so sure of that. It's the basis of a lot of ally relationships that they will want to maintain.
  - breppp 8mo ago
    Why? a non-religious Iran would have difficulty maintaining alliances with islamist organizations such as PMF and Hezbollah that were used to slaughter Iranian protestors. Also, like Syria it would probably pivot to a US-led alliance
  - ch4s3 8mo ago
    Iran had good relations with Israel prior to 1979 and never persecuted or expelled its Jews after 1948 unlike every other country in the region. In fact there’s a great degree of very old cultural affinity between Persians and Jews. A secular Iran is likely to have very close ties with Israel if for no other reason than as a backlash to the excesses of the cleracy.
  - fortzi 8mo ago
    I agree, we don’t know what comes after bad leadership. Maybe a worse one. I’m afraid there isn’t much worse than a leadership that openly states that Israel should be destroyed, while developing a nuclear program. Maybe a similar but more competent leadership is worse.
- pphysch 8mo ago
  Are Iranians supposed to believe that after Israel destroyed every hospital and university in Gaza? Insulting. The IRGC is under every brick and pebble.

roysting 8mo ago

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