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I mean we could be just like rodents to them, I won't think people care about uprooting rodents

squigz 7mo ago
Maybe, but to me, it would be as if we dug into a prairie dog's tunnels, killed them all and stole whatever little bits of food they have. It just doesn't make sense.
- Towaway69 7mo ago
  So how is it that the amazon is disappearing? Coincidence or human interference? Humans have demonstrated a cycle of 1. exploitation to the point destruction, 2. Realisation of the damage they have inflicted, 3. Green washing and band-aid fixes 4. Rinse and repeat. Be it waste handling, colonisation, industrial revolution, slavery, oil extraction etc etc. At least for the time being, prairie dog tunnels seem safe.
  - squigz 7mo ago
    Like I said, we should probably care more, and generally speaking, we do, over time. I'm not suggesting we're perfect, that we haven't made any mistakes, or that we won't make any more - just that we're slowly learning how to do better. > Be it waste handling, colonisation, industrial revolution, slavery, oil extraction etc etc. Interestingly, most of these have seen lots of progress in reducing the harms - if not practically eliminating it altogether, such as with slavery.
    - Towaway69 7mo ago
      Colonisation and industrial revolution have reduced the harm? For whom? Looking it from a white, western male perspective, you're right. From other perspectives this might well not be the case. A lot of technology has short term benefits but are, in the long term, net negative to either us as species or the environment around us - which is the life support system for us. We as a society have not got a "undo" button for much of this technology, since once the damage has been done in real life, it stays in real life. So we develop technology, see it fail, and try to fix the issues with more technology not realising that technology might be the problem. Or perhaps it's because we don't have the simplicity of an "undo" button.

Maybe, but to me, it would be as if we dug into a prairie dog's tunnels, killed them all and stole whatever little bits of food they have. It just doesn't make sense.

Towaway69 7mo ago
So how is it that the amazon is disappearing? Coincidence or human interference? Humans have demonstrated a cycle of 1. exploitation to the point destruction, 2. Realisation of the damage they have inflicted, 3. Green washing and band-aid fixes 4. Rinse and repeat. Be it waste handling, colonisation, industrial revolution, slavery, oil extraction etc etc. At least for the time being, prairie dog tunnels seem safe.
- squigz 7mo ago
  Like I said, we should probably care more, and generally speaking, we do, over time. I'm not suggesting we're perfect, that we haven't made any mistakes, or that we won't make any more - just that we're slowly learning how to do better. > Be it waste handling, colonisation, industrial revolution, slavery, oil extraction etc etc. Interestingly, most of these have seen lots of progress in reducing the harms - if not practically eliminating it altogether, such as with slavery.
  - Towaway69 7mo ago
    Colonisation and industrial revolution have reduced the harm? For whom? Looking it from a white, western male perspective, you're right. From other perspectives this might well not be the case. A lot of technology has short term benefits but are, in the long term, net negative to either us as species or the environment around us - which is the life support system for us. We as a society have not got a "undo" button for much of this technology, since once the damage has been done in real life, it stays in real life. So we develop technology, see it fail, and try to fix the issues with more technology not realising that technology might be the problem. Or perhaps it's because we don't have the simplicity of an "undo" button.