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wtf, why would you write 100k lines of plan to produce 30k loc.. JUST WRITE THE CODE!!!
by dakolli 8mo ago
wtf, why would you write 100k lines of plan to produce 30k loc.. JUST WRITE THE CODE!!!
- Bishonen88 8mo agoThey didn't write 100k plan lines. The llm did (99.9% of it at least or more). Writing 30k by hand would take weeks if not months. Llms do it in an afternoon.
- AstroBen 8mo agoJust reading that plan would take weeks or months
- chickensong 8mo agoYou don't start with 100k lines, you work in batches that are digestible. You read it once, then move on. The lines add up pretty quickly considering how fast Claude works. If you think about the difference in how many characters it takes to describe what code is doing in English, it's pretty reasonable.
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- dakolli 8mo agoAnd my weeks or months of work beats an LLMs 10/10 times. There are no shortcuts in life.
- tock 8mo agoMight be true for you. But there are plenty of top tier engineers who love LLMs. So it works for some. Not for others. And of course there are shortcuts in life. Any form of progress whether its cars, medicine, computers or the internet are all shortcuts in life. It makes life easier for a lot of people.
- Bishonen88 8mo agoI have no doubts that it does for many people. But the time/cost tradeoff is still unquestionable. I know I could create what LLMs do for me in the frontend/backend in most cases as good or better - I know that, because I've done it at work for years. But to create a somewhat complex app with lots of pages/features/apis etc. would take me months if not a year++ since I'd be working on it only on the weekends for a few hours. Claude code helps me out by getting me to my goal in a fraction of the time. Its superpower lies not only in doign what I know but faster, but in doing what I don't know as well. I yield similar benefits at work. I can wow management with LLM assited/vibe coded apps. What previously would've taken a multi-man team weeks of planning and executing, stand ups, jour fixes, architecture diagrams, etc. can now be done within a single week by myself. For the type of work I do, managers do not care whether I could do it better if I'd code it myself. They are amazed however that what has taken months previously, can be done in hours nowadays. And I for sure will try to reap benefits of LLMs for as long as they don't replace me rather than being idealistic and fighting against them.
- abustamam 8mo ago> What previously would've taken a multi-man team weeks of planning and executing, stand ups, jour fixes, architecture diagrams, etc. can now be done within a single week by myself. This has been my experience. We use Miro at work for diagramming. Lots of visual people on the team, myself included. Using Miro's MCP I draft a solution to a problem and have Miro diagram it. Once we talk it through as a team, I have Claude or codex implement it from the diagram. It works surprisingly well. > They are amazed however that what has taken months previously, can be done in hours nowadays. Of course they're amazed. They don't have to pay you for time saved ;) > reap benefits of LLMs for as long as they don't replace me > What previously would've taken a multi-man team I think this is the part that people are worried about. Every engineer who uses LLMs says this. By definition it means that people are being replaced. I think I justify it in that no one on my team has been replaced. But management has explicitly said "we don't want to hire more because we can already 20x ourselves with our current team +LLM." But I do acknowledge that many people ARE being replaced; not necessarily by LLMs, but certainly by other engineers using LLMs.
- oblio 8mo agoThat's not (or should not be what's happening). They write a short high level plan (let's say 200 words). The plan asks the agent to write a more detailed implementation plan (written by the LLM, let's say 2000-5000 words). They read this plan and adjust as needed, even sending it to the agent for re-dos. Once the implementation plan is done, they ask the agent to write the actual code changes. Then they review that and ask for fixes, adjustments, etc. This can be comparable to writing the code yourself but also leaves a detailed trail of what was done and why, which I basically NEVER see in human generated code. That alone is worth gold, by itself. And on top of that, if you're using an unknown platform or stack, it's basically a rocket ship. You bootstrap much faster. Of course, stay on top of the architecture, do controlled changes, learn about the platform as you go, etc.
- dakolli 8mo ago[flagged]
- nubg 8mo agoWhat genuinely new thing have you produced?
- dakolli 8mo agoWell I'm actually producing, not having an llm do things for me and frying my brain in the process. If you're building things with the process described above you're not producing anything, Dalio or Altman's GPUs are, you're simply just a slot machine user. Have fun paying for "Think for me Saas". 2025-2026: The year everyone became the mental equivalent of obese and let their brain atrophy. There are no shortcuts in life that don't come at a huge cost, remember how everyone forgot how to navigate without a maps app, that's going to be you with writing code/reading code/thinking about code.
- abustamam 8mo agoBy that logic, compilers ruined programming and calculators killed math. If someone’s brain atrophies, that’s a user problem, not a tool problem.