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You can't fight this with tech. The problem is not technological. You don't have the data to fight with either. You could live in an igloo in the arctic with no

You can't fight this with tech. The problem is not technological. You don't have the data to fight with either. You could live in an igloo in the arctic with no tech on hand you'll still show up in palantir's hits (unless you were born there and have nothing to trace you back to civilization). Those organizations you mention might help with corporate surveillance capitalism, but not government data mining and surveillance. Palantir is not the same as Cambridge analytica, they're more similar to Microsoft and Google. In simpler terms, they provide the sql db, sql client, and the db admins to manage the data, as well as support to train users. They don't do the analysis and action on objectives for governments, they're not a consultancy firm like cambridge. Under rule of law, you need laws. Outside of rule of law, well..

rramadass 8mo ago
You missed the point. The idea is to protect oneself by using various techniques of deception/reflexive control through stratagems like "poisoning the well", "borrow a knife", "misdirect/misinform" etc. to present different contradictory information/personas/overload-data to "The System" thus obfuscating/masking reality. You mess-up the raw data and then use reflexive control techniques to allow them to draw inferences from a set that you have predetermined. Technology, mass commoditized and given easy access to, is central here and should be spearheaded by the organizations i mentioned due to their reputation cachet eg; Tor/Tails/Proxies/Vpns/Secure OSes/Protocols/etc. Simultaneously they should also push for legislation for stricter govt. control over data usage/companies eg. GDPR/etc. The populace also needs to educate themselves on techniques of Propaganda/Manipulation by reading the works of the authors i mentioned earlier. This will sharpen their critical thinking skills which is a must-have today. Palantir is very much in the vein of Cambridge Analytica except that they have expanded vastly on its theme and gained "legitimacy". People need to study all about CA and then extrapolate it to today's AI capabilities if they want to understand the shape of things to come. Some References: Deception: The Invisible War Between the KGB and the CIA by Edward Jay Epstein; For history/ideas/themes/motivation for further study on a complex subject. Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes by Jacques Ellul - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda:_The_Formation_of_Men%27s_Attitudes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda:_The_Formation_of_M... Reflexive Control - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_control Psychographics - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychographics
- notepad0x90 8mo ago
  You still don't get what palantir does. they're not necessarily mining online activities of people. although they do that almost certainly. but it's things like where you life, your movements, your associations, work place, etc.. that may seem harmless but they go layers and layers deeper to presume things. For example if someone you know has a friend who is a gang member, they might associate you without your knowledge with that person. the physical stuff is hard to beat by anyone. lots of cameras, radio sensors (wifi/bt), payment transactions, ISP data,etc.. Even if they worked like you think they do, simply downloading tails, or using a VPN alone will harm you in person much more than you think. You might be driving in peace, a cop would put in your license plate and you'd be flagged from heavy vpn usage. if they can't get enough additional information on you to dismiss you as harmless, that will do you more harm than good. No facebook,reddit,etc.. then that means you're up to no good. There is not tech solution for this, it is a human problem, the problem is people. There is an old adage in hacking circles "physical compromise is total compromise", these people have physical power and control over you. Ever heard of the $5 wrench method of defeating cryptography? Like you, many are wasting efforts in trying to find technical solutions, instead of communicating the impact of how tech is being abused to decision makers and the public.
  - rramadass 8mo ago
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rramadass 8mo ago

You missed the point. The idea is to protect oneself by using various techniques of deception/reflexive control through stratagems like "poisoning the well", "borrow a knife", "misdirect/misinform" etc. to present different contradictory information/personas/overload-data to "The System" thus obfuscating/masking reality. You mess-up the raw data and then use reflexive control techniques to allow them to draw inferences from a set that you have predetermined. Technology, mass commoditized and given easy access to, is central here and should be spearheaded by the organizations i mentioned due to their reputation cachet eg; Tor/Tails/Proxies/Vpns/Secure OSes/Protocols/etc. Simultaneously they should also push for legislation for stricter govt. control over data usage/companies eg. GDPR/etc. The populace also needs to educate themselves on techniques of Propaganda/Manipulation by reading the works of the authors i mentioned earlier. This will sharpen their critical thinking skills which is a must-have today. Palantir is very much in the vein of Cambridge Analytica except that they have expanded vastly on its theme and gained "legitimacy". People need to study all about CA and then extrapolate it to today's AI capabilities if they want to understand the shape of things to come. Some References: Deception: The Invisible War Between the KGB and the CIA by Edward Jay Epstein; For history/ideas/themes/motivation for further study on a complex subject. Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes by Jacques Ellul - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda:_The_Formation_of_Men%27s_Attitudes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda:_The_Formation_of_M... Reflexive Control - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_control Psychographics - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychographics

notepad0x90 8mo ago
You still don't get what palantir does. they're not necessarily mining online activities of people. although they do that almost certainly. but it's things like where you life, your movements, your associations, work place, etc.. that may seem harmless but they go layers and layers deeper to presume things. For example if someone you know has a friend who is a gang member, they might associate you without your knowledge with that person. the physical stuff is hard to beat by anyone. lots of cameras, radio sensors (wifi/bt), payment transactions, ISP data,etc.. Even if they worked like you think they do, simply downloading tails, or using a VPN alone will harm you in person much more than you think. You might be driving in peace, a cop would put in your license plate and you'd be flagged from heavy vpn usage. if they can't get enough additional information on you to dismiss you as harmless, that will do you more harm than good. No facebook,reddit,etc.. then that means you're up to no good. There is not tech solution for this, it is a human problem, the problem is people. There is an old adage in hacking circles "physical compromise is total compromise", these people have physical power and control over you. Ever heard of the $5 wrench method of defeating cryptography? Like you, many are wasting efforts in trying to find technical solutions, instead of communicating the impact of how tech is being abused to decision makers and the public.
- rramadass 8mo ago
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