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> and because it's not good/reliable for some tasks. It's even worse than that. I'm not aware of any tasks which it's good at. Even after several years of effo

by bigstrat2003 8mo ago

> and because it's not good/reliable for some tasks. It's even worse than that. I'm not aware of any tasks which it's good at. Even after several years of effort, LLMs suck at coding, the thing they are supposedly best at. Maybe it'll get good, but right now it just isn't.

aeon_ai 8mo ago
If you’re not aware of what it’s good at, given what very smart people are saying and doing with it, I think you’re either not paying attention or aren’t being intellectually honest with yourself
- jcgrillo 8mo ago
  Or those people aren't actually very smart, or they're caught up in the hype, or since they are very smart they exist in a mode where their experience doesn't translate to normal, everyday situations. It seems that AI coding tools are very sensitive to codebase structure. If you work on a monolith with relatively simple, straightforward structure this is the happy path. A bird's nest of microservices is not. If your team has taken the time and effort to structure the codebase in a way that's amenable to AI, and you invest in the tooling, and you keep up that effort over time, then AI does seem to work.. Not "10x productivity gain" as they try to sell it to us, but maybe >1.0x. It's not clear, though, that for the vast majority of developers AI provides any speedup whatsoever. That's the problem. If it only works for the top 5% or whatever, that addressable market is very, very small.
- nunez 8mo ago
  there are a lot of smart people with eggs in this basket that stand to benefit from boosting AI hard.
- piva00 8mo ago
  Instead of appealing to authority you could have given direct examples of how it's transformed your ways of working, that could've continued the conversation somewhere.
- danaris 8mo ago
  I've seen a lot of very rich people* say it's amazing, it's changing my life, it's going to change your lives (it's going to take away all your jobs so we don't have to pay you anymore), we're about to hit the singularity and start a new golden age with it. I've seen some apparently-smart people say they're using it for all kinds of things and it's doing great for them. I've seen roughly the same number of apparently-smart people say they've tried it, they've given it a really good shot, but it doesn't work well for them, and in fact, when they tried, it made them less productive. When I've personally tried it (almost exclusively on local generation), I've found it entertaining, but not reliable enough to use for more than that. And I do not trust any of the hosted models not to take everything I feed them and monetize it, including by selling it to organizations like ICE which I find utterly reprehensible. So while I'm not bigstrat2003, about me, at least, you're wrong: I am paying attention, and I'm being intellectually honest. I'm also evaluating it for more than just "does this make me more money in the short term?" * Who just so happen to be heavily invested in AI companies...
jcgrillo 8mo ago
Meanwhile, according to Jensen Huang, the reason growth isn't on track is all the negative skeptics: > In Mr. Huang’s view, the critics want regulations that will hamper the A.I. industry and slow it down. Meanwhile, the skeptics are “scaring people from making the investments in A.I.” that would make it better. What a weak, out of touch statement. This guy is at the helm of the most valuable company in world history and according to him the thing that's threatening their growth is.. negative vibes? Where are the adults?
- rsynnott 8mo ago
  ... Bloody hell, he actually said that? I mean, even if he actually believed it, it's a bizarre thing to say; makes him look ridiculous.
dvfjsdhgfv 8mo ago
I wouldn't say it sucks, I'd say it's very far away from what people with vested interest claim it to be.

aeon_ai 8mo ago

If you’re not aware of what it’s good at, given what very smart people are saying and doing with it, I think you’re either not paying attention or aren’t being intellectually honest with yourself

jcgrillo 8mo ago
Or those people aren't actually very smart, or they're caught up in the hype, or since they are very smart they exist in a mode where their experience doesn't translate to normal, everyday situations. It seems that AI coding tools are very sensitive to codebase structure. If you work on a monolith with relatively simple, straightforward structure this is the happy path. A bird's nest of microservices is not. If your team has taken the time and effort to structure the codebase in a way that's amenable to AI, and you invest in the tooling, and you keep up that effort over time, then AI does seem to work.. Not "10x productivity gain" as they try to sell it to us, but maybe >1.0x. It's not clear, though, that for the vast majority of developers AI provides any speedup whatsoever. That's the problem. If it only works for the top 5% or whatever, that addressable market is very, very small.
nunez 8mo ago
there are a lot of smart people with eggs in this basket that stand to benefit from boosting AI hard.
piva00 8mo ago
Instead of appealing to authority you could have given direct examples of how it's transformed your ways of working, that could've continued the conversation somewhere.
danaris 8mo ago
I've seen a lot of very rich people* say it's amazing, it's changing my life, it's going to change your lives (it's going to take away all your jobs so we don't have to pay you anymore), we're about to hit the singularity and start a new golden age with it. I've seen some apparently-smart people say they're using it for all kinds of things and it's doing great for them. I've seen roughly the same number of apparently-smart people say they've tried it, they've given it a really good shot, but it doesn't work well for them, and in fact, when they tried, it made them less productive. When I've personally tried it (almost exclusively on local generation), I've found it entertaining, but not reliable enough to use for more than that. And I do not trust any of the hosted models not to take everything I feed them and monetize it, including by selling it to organizations like ICE which I find utterly reprehensible. So while I'm not bigstrat2003, about me, at least, you're wrong: I am paying attention, and I'm being intellectually honest. I'm also evaluating it for more than just "does this make me more money in the short term?" * Who just so happen to be heavily invested in AI companies...

jcgrillo 8mo ago

Meanwhile, according to Jensen Huang, the reason growth isn't on track is all the negative skeptics: > In Mr. Huang’s view, the critics want regulations that will hamper the A.I. industry and slow it down. Meanwhile, the skeptics are “scaring people from making the investments in A.I.” that would make it better. What a weak, out of touch statement. This guy is at the helm of the most valuable company in world history and according to him the thing that's threatening their growth is.. negative vibes? Where are the adults?

rsynnott 8mo ago
... Bloody hell, he actually said that? I mean, even if he actually believed it, it's a bizarre thing to say; makes him look ridiculous.

dvfjsdhgfv 8mo ago

I wouldn't say it sucks, I'd say it's very far away from what people with vested interest claim it to be.