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The ISPs simply don't care, I think. I have several million unique botnet IPs hitting my server, and I'm not sure how I could let the ISPs or users know they're

by mzajc 8mo ago

The ISPs simply don't care, I think. I have several million unique botnet IPs hitting my server, and I'm not sure how I could let the ISPs or users know they're infected - I contacted those that originated from my country, but 3 out of 4 of them ignored my mail to the abuse contact. I imagine the situation is several magnitudes worse for people with more prominent domains.

fc417fc802 8mo ago
We need regulation requiring ISPs to care. In the US they will severely reduce your speeds (if not outright cancel your account) over repeated DMCA complaints so why can't they do the same for reported botnet activity? I guess logistically they'd need a way to assess if the problem had been resolved though. It would be pretty challenging to validate reports and then follow up on them in an automated manner. There's not going to be much budget for this after all. Still you'd think it could be done for the largest (and thus well understood) botnets.
- plagiarist 8mo ago
  I agree it does require regulation. There would be better odds for regulations in the US if you could show that regulating ISPs can help funnel taxpayer money to billionaires and their grifting cronies. The US has a history with ISPs, they were given fat subsidies to build out their networks and then they did not do that.
- squigz 8mo ago
  DMCA complaints are generally something the user chose to do. Most users aren't choosing to participate in botnets. I'm not sure it's appropriate to punish users like this for something that isn't their fault and that they likely won't know how to fix.
  - DecoySalamander 8mo ago
    Why not? It wouldn't be acceptable in any other context - like running a lawn mower that spits oil onto your neighbor's lawn.
  - pixl97 8mo ago
    When my house catches on fire I probably don't have the tools to put it out, but I am obligated to call the fire department before it burns down the neighborhood.
    - squigz 8mo ago
      If your house catches fire because an electrician fucked up, and it catches other houses on fire, are you responsible for it? Not to mention that, while you may be responsible for calling it in, you are certainly not responsible for fighting it yourself
- CursedSilicon 8mo ago
  DMCA requests lead to legal consequences for ISP's in extreme cases. Botnets meanwhile there's no "lobby groups" that are directly impacted enough to 'care' at a financial level
uyzstvqs 8mo ago
ISPs do care. They typically have a standard procedure where they will contact the customer if they receive structural complaints, indicating an actual botnet infection. It's also very typical to not receive a response to abuse complaints, even though they do log it.

by mzajc 8mo ago

fc417fc802 8mo ago

We need regulation requiring ISPs to care. In the US they will severely reduce your speeds (if not outright cancel your account) over repeated DMCA complaints so why can't they do the same for reported botnet activity? I guess logistically they'd need a way to assess if the problem had been resolved though. It would be pretty challenging to validate reports and then follow up on them in an automated manner. There's not going to be much budget for this after all. Still you'd think it could be done for the largest (and thus well understood) botnets.

plagiarist 8mo ago
I agree it does require regulation. There would be better odds for regulations in the US if you could show that regulating ISPs can help funnel taxpayer money to billionaires and their grifting cronies. The US has a history with ISPs, they were given fat subsidies to build out their networks and then they did not do that.
squigz 8mo ago
DMCA complaints are generally something the user chose to do. Most users aren't choosing to participate in botnets. I'm not sure it's appropriate to punish users like this for something that isn't their fault and that they likely won't know how to fix.
- DecoySalamander 8mo ago
  Why not? It wouldn't be acceptable in any other context - like running a lawn mower that spits oil onto your neighbor's lawn.
- pixl97 8mo ago
  When my house catches on fire I probably don't have the tools to put it out, but I am obligated to call the fire department before it burns down the neighborhood.
  - squigz 8mo ago
    If your house catches fire because an electrician fucked up, and it catches other houses on fire, are you responsible for it? Not to mention that, while you may be responsible for calling it in, you are certainly not responsible for fighting it yourself
CursedSilicon 8mo ago
DMCA requests lead to legal consequences for ISP's in extreme cases. Botnets meanwhile there's no "lobby groups" that are directly impacted enough to 'care' at a financial level

uyzstvqs 8mo ago

ISPs do care. They typically have a standard procedure where they will contact the customer if they receive structural complaints, indicating an actual botnet infection. It's also very typical to not receive a response to abuse complaints, even though they do log it.