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I mean, all I can really say is... if writing some logging takes you one or two days, are you sure you _really_ know how to code?

shepherdjerred 8mo ago
You're right, you're better than me! You could've been curious and ask why it would take 1-2 days, and I would've happily told you.
- jamesmcq 8mo ago
  I'll bite, because it does seem like something that should be quick in a well-architected codebase. What was the situation? Was there something in this codebase that was especially suited to AI-development? Large amounts of duplication perhaps?
  - shepherdjerred 8mo ago
    It's not particularly interesting. I wanted to add audit logging for all endpoints we call, all places we call the DB, etc. across areas I haven't touched before. It would have taken me a while to track down all of the touchpoints. Granted, I am not 100% certain that Claude didn't miss anything. I feel fairly confident that it is correct given that I had it research upfront, had multiple agents review, and it made the correct changes in the areas that I knew. Also I'm realizing I didn't mention it included an API + UI for viewing events w/ pretty deltas
    - streetfighter64 8mo ago
      LOL, so why would I have asked you if the answer is self-admittedly not particularly interesting? It'd be like asking somebody why they took two days to put together an IKEA cupboard, of course the answer is uninteresting.
fragmede 8mo ago
We're not as good at coding as you, naturally.
- streetfighter64 8mo ago
  You're being sarcastic, but clearly what you're saying is literally true. So...
boxedemp 8mo ago
Ever worked on a distributed system with hundreds of millions of customers and seemingly endless business requirements? Some things are complex.
fendy3002 8mo ago
Well someone who says logging is easy never knows the difficulty of deciding "what" to log. And audit log is different beast altogether than normal logging
- streetfighter64 8mo ago
  Audit logging is different because it's actually more straightforward than "normal logging". You just make a log entry for each state change, basically. Especially if you're storing the log entries as "objects" instead of plain text. Besides, do you think that a LLM would be better at deciding what to log than a human that has even just a little experience with the actual system in question?
therealdrag0 8mo ago
Audit logging is different than developer logging… companies will have entire teams dedicated to audit systems.

shepherdjerred 8mo ago

You're right, you're better than me! You could've been curious and ask why it would take 1-2 days, and I would've happily told you.

jamesmcq 8mo ago
I'll bite, because it does seem like something that should be quick in a well-architected codebase. What was the situation? Was there something in this codebase that was especially suited to AI-development? Large amounts of duplication perhaps?
- shepherdjerred 8mo ago
  It's not particularly interesting. I wanted to add audit logging for all endpoints we call, all places we call the DB, etc. across areas I haven't touched before. It would have taken me a while to track down all of the touchpoints. Granted, I am not 100% certain that Claude didn't miss anything. I feel fairly confident that it is correct given that I had it research upfront, had multiple agents review, and it made the correct changes in the areas that I knew. Also I'm realizing I didn't mention it included an API + UI for viewing events w/ pretty deltas
  - streetfighter64 8mo ago
    LOL, so why would I have asked you if the answer is self-admittedly not particularly interesting? It'd be like asking somebody why they took two days to put together an IKEA cupboard, of course the answer is uninteresting.

fragmede 8mo ago

We're not as good at coding as you, naturally.

streetfighter64 8mo ago
You're being sarcastic, but clearly what you're saying is literally true. So...

boxedemp 8mo ago

Ever worked on a distributed system with hundreds of millions of customers and seemingly endless business requirements? Some things are complex.

fendy3002 8mo ago

Well someone who says logging is easy never knows the difficulty of deciding "what" to log. And audit log is different beast altogether than normal logging

streetfighter64 8mo ago
Audit logging is different because it's actually more straightforward than "normal logging". You just make a log entry for each state change, basically. Especially if you're storing the log entries as "objects" instead of plain text. Besides, do you think that a LLM would be better at deciding what to log than a human that has even just a little experience with the actual system in question?

therealdrag0 8mo ago

Audit logging is different than developer logging… companies will have entire teams dedicated to audit systems.