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And: No matter if an update was available on the first day. For a major release like that it shouldn't have come to this in the first place. I'm somewhat confu

And: No matter if an update was available on the first day. For a major release like that it shouldn't have come to this in the first place. I'm somewhat confused by this statement. I've rarely heard it applied to other companies. Siri being in Beta at launch was largely forgiven on HN. Even a substantial portion of HN made excuses for the new Apple Maps (which if it wasn't listed as a beta, clearly was). Google's second most popular product, GMail, came out of beta in just mid-2009. Lets be real. The update was available on the FIRST day. The freakin' first day and you're complaining that it shouldn't have come to this? On a site where the near pillar of virtually every company is to ship something that, for all intents and purposes, is barely usable on day one and iterate like crazy, it seems like an odd statement. I have to admit that I'm probably an odd beast in that when I get a new device, I actually install the latest software. Whether its a BluRay player or a computer. I get that most mainstream users won't do that, and I get that it was likely a mainstream blog, but I'd expect better of HN readers. In fact I'd argue if you buy a device and it does not update out the box that's probably NOT a good sign of active development on it.

ari_elle 14y ago
First of all: My comment does not necessarily reflect the opinion of all individuals that gather here on HN. Therefore: Yes, i was a critic of Siri when it first came out and also of Apple Maps. Additionally: You might, and things like this happen with written text, over emphasize my statement. It was by no means meant as harsh criticism, but you can't deny the fact that it shouldn't have happened and that was basically all i said. -) why do updates not appear for some users (it was not just him) -) when it's being marketed with running Office and then comes along in this condition, then it certainly isn't perfect AND: When also keeping in mind, that: -) the Hardware seems to be astonishing -) Design, Input methods, everything gets positive reviews -) this a big milestone for Microsoft, showing off not only a Microsoft branded device (not just some device where their OS is running), but also a completely new direction in which they are heading then this was not at all a perfect start, no matter how you put it.

ari_elle 14y ago

First of all: My comment does not necessarily reflect the opinion of all individuals that gather here on HN. Therefore: Yes, i was a critic of Siri when it first came out and also of Apple Maps. Additionally: You might, and things like this happen with written text, over emphasize my statement. It was by no means meant as harsh criticism, but you can't deny the fact that it shouldn't have happened and that was basically all i said. -) why do updates not appear for some users (it was not just him) -) when it's being marketed with running Office and then comes along in this condition, then it certainly isn't perfect AND: When also keeping in mind, that: -) the Hardware seems to be astonishing -) Design, Input methods, everything gets positive reviews -) this a big milestone for Microsoft, showing off not only a Microsoft branded device (not just some device where their OS is running), but also a completely new direction in which they are heading then this was not at all a perfect start, no matter how you put it.