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1400 seems fine except for the one big hurdle being "Þ", which I feel like I'd seen at some point but did not recall. ("ȝ" is useful but that's somewhat easier

1400 seems fine except for the one big hurdle being "Þ", which I feel like I'd seen at some point but did not recall. ("ȝ" is useful but that's somewhat easier to guess and not too critical. "ſ" is also easy to guess and I'd seen it before.) 1300 is noticeably harder and needs some iterative refinement, but once you rewrite it, it's surprisingly not too bad: > Then after much time spoke the master, his words were cold as winter is. His voice was the crying of rauenes(?), sharp and chill, and all that heard him were adrade(?) and dared not speak. > "I deem thee(?) to the(?) death, stranger. Here shall you die, far from thy kin and far from thine own land, and none shall known thy name, nor non shall thy biwepe(?)." > And I said to him [...] 1200 is where I can't understand much... it feels like where the vocabulary becomes a significant hurdle, not just the script: > Hit(?) is much to saying all that pinunge(?) hie(?) on me(?) uroyten(?), all that sore(?) and all that sorry. No scar(?) is never hit(?) forgotten, not uuhiles(?) is libbe(?). It gets exhausting to keep going after these :-) but this was very fun.

ajross 7mo ago
> adrade(?) "adread", meaning afraid Still a recognizable archaic word, constructed from a still-in-use root. Just the spelling is different.
- dataflow 7mo ago
  Ahh of course! Yeah I guess if I'd read the sentence a few more times it might have been possible to guess that too. Thanks!
petesergeant 7mo ago
> rauenes Ravens
- dataflow 7mo ago
  Amazing. Thanks!
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klondike_klive 7mo ago
switch the double-u for a w. Uuhiles becomes "whiles" (or "while")
- krackers 7mo ago
  retvrn to tradition
- DangitBobby 7mo ago
  Damn I hate that I didn't catch on to why it made a w sound.
ryanjshaw 7mo ago
I found it helped me to read it out loud in a pirate voice.
- duskwuff 7mo ago
  Fun fact: stereotypical "pirate speech" is actually a relic of the English West Country dialect.
  - Podrod 7mo ago
    Not so much a relic as it was West County actor Robert Newton putting on an exaggerated accent in his depections of Long John Silver and Blackbeard in several films of the 1950s. His depictions were extremely influential on later pirates in film.
DangitBobby 7mo ago
Ravens, adread (filled with dread), condemn you to your death (I think just an archaic usage of deem), beweep (none will weep for you, I think). I also hit a pretty hard wall at 1200.
- ETH_start 7mo ago
  1200 was my wall too.
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xorcist 7mo ago
> 1400 seems fine except for the one big hurdle being "Þ", Someone here needs to brush up on their Icelandic!
Delk 7mo ago
> biwepe(?) Probably beweep; lament, weep over. > pinunge(?) This is explained later on the page. "Where a modern writer would say he underwent torture, a 1200-era writer must say that he suffered pinunge instead." I also couldn't understand this one although the word "pining" did come to mind, apparently not totally off, as that has apparently come from the same ancestor. Didn't help me figure out the intended meaning, though. > No scar(?) is never hit(?) forgotten, not uuhiles(?) is libbe(?). I guessed this meant something along the lines of "[?] shall I never [?] forget, not while I live". I didn't figure out that "uu" is actually "w" until that was explained, so it escaped me that "uuhiles" is "while[s]", though.
- niwis 7mo ago
  In current Limburgs, pinige: to torture. Mien herses pinige: Wrecking one's brains.
  - permo-w 7mo ago
    surely "paining" is the easiest way to comprehend it
    - CRConrad 7mo ago
      Yup, definitely easiest. (That's how I first got it too.) Dunno if it's ethymologically correct, though; that depends on what the roots of "pain" are. Since it's explained further down the page that it comes from an earlier loan from Latin "peona", "punishment", I suppose there is kind of a cognate in English itself from the later loan of the same word that has lead to "penalizing".
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xelxebar 7mo ago
> Hit is muchel to seggen all þat pinunge hie on me uuroȝten, al þar sor and al þat sorȝe. Ne scal ic nefre hit forȝeten, naht uuhiles ic libbe! My reading was "There is (too) much to say all that pain he wrought on me, all there sour and all that sorryness. Not shall I never forget, not while I live!"
- CRConrad 7mo ago
  > al þar sor and al þat sorȝe. > all there sour and all that sorryness. "all those sores and all that sorrow"?
jwrallie 7mo ago
Agreed, I did quite well until around 1500. At 1400, I did decode Þ after a while. I realized I was mostly reading though the sounds on my head as opposed to recognizing the word shapes anymore, which was quite interesting. 1300 started to get hard because I was missing the meaning of some words completely. 1200 was where I gave up. Now, English is my 2nd language so I was surprised I could go that far.
jlev1 7mo ago
A couple more I could decode from your question marks: - rauenes: ravens - “all that heard him were adrade”: I’m guessing it means “were filled with dread”, maybe “were adread” - I think deme is actually a conjugation of the archaic verb “to doom”, as in “I doom thee to the death” - “none shall thy biwepe” would be roughly “none shall beweep thee” Aside: typing this is hard on my phone, it’s so close to modern English that nearly every word gets autocorrected.
vidarh 7mo ago
> "Þ" The way to remember thorn: "Ye Oldee Shoppe". The "Ye" there is "þe" (the), written with "Y" standing in for þ - historically for typographic reasons, and in modern times just repeating that change. > "ſ" is also easy to guess and I'd seen it before. It's in use as a long s[1] in other languages too when using Fraktur style fonts in particular. One of Norways largest papers [2] still insists on using it in their header, which led someone I went to school with to insist the name was "Aftenpoften" instead of "Aftenposten" ("Evening Post"). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s [2] https://www.aftenposten.no/ https://www.aftenposten.no/

ajross 7mo ago

> adrade(?) "adread", meaning afraid Still a recognizable archaic word, constructed from a still-in-use root. Just the spelling is different.

dataflow 7mo ago
Ahh of course! Yeah I guess if I'd read the sentence a few more times it might have been possible to guess that too. Thanks!

petesergeant 7mo ago

> rauenes Ravens

dataflow 7mo ago
Amazing. Thanks!

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klondike_klive 7mo ago

switch the double-u for a w. Uuhiles becomes "whiles" (or "while")

krackers 7mo ago
retvrn to tradition
DangitBobby 7mo ago
Damn I hate that I didn't catch on to why it made a w sound.

ryanjshaw 7mo ago

I found it helped me to read it out loud in a pirate voice.

duskwuff 7mo ago
Fun fact: stereotypical "pirate speech" is actually a relic of the English West Country dialect.
- Podrod 7mo ago
  Not so much a relic as it was West County actor Robert Newton putting on an exaggerated accent in his depections of Long John Silver and Blackbeard in several films of the 1950s. His depictions were extremely influential on later pirates in film.

DangitBobby 7mo ago

Ravens, adread (filled with dread), condemn you to your death (I think just an archaic usage of deem), beweep (none will weep for you, I think). I also hit a pretty hard wall at 1200.

ETH_start 7mo ago
1200 was my wall too.
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xorcist 7mo ago

> 1400 seems fine except for the one big hurdle being "Þ", Someone here needs to brush up on their Icelandic!

Delk 7mo ago

> biwepe(?) Probably beweep; lament, weep over. > pinunge(?) This is explained later on the page. "Where a modern writer would say he underwent torture, a 1200-era writer must say that he suffered pinunge instead." I also couldn't understand this one although the word "pining" did come to mind, apparently not totally off, as that has apparently come from the same ancestor. Didn't help me figure out the intended meaning, though. > No scar(?) is never hit(?) forgotten, not uuhiles(?) is libbe(?). I guessed this meant something along the lines of "[?] shall I never [?] forget, not while I live". I didn't figure out that "uu" is actually "w" until that was explained, so it escaped me that "uuhiles" is "while[s]", though.

niwis 7mo ago
In current Limburgs, pinige: to torture. Mien herses pinige: Wrecking one's brains.
- permo-w 7mo ago
  surely "paining" is the easiest way to comprehend it
  - CRConrad 7mo ago
    Yup, definitely easiest. (That's how I first got it too.) Dunno if it's ethymologically correct, though; that depends on what the roots of "pain" are. Since it's explained further down the page that it comes from an earlier loan from Latin "peona", "punishment", I suppose there is kind of a cognate in English itself from the later loan of the same word that has lead to "penalizing".

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xelxebar 7mo ago

> Hit is muchel to seggen all þat pinunge hie on me uuroȝten, al þar sor and al þat sorȝe. Ne scal ic nefre hit forȝeten, naht uuhiles ic libbe! My reading was "There is (too) much to say all that pain he wrought on me, all there sour and all that sorryness. Not shall I never forget, not while I live!"

CRConrad 7mo ago
> al þar sor and al þat sorȝe. > all there sour and all that sorryness. "all those sores and all that sorrow"?

jwrallie 7mo ago

Agreed, I did quite well until around 1500. At 1400, I did decode Þ after a while. I realized I was mostly reading though the sounds on my head as opposed to recognizing the word shapes anymore, which was quite interesting. 1300 started to get hard because I was missing the meaning of some words completely. 1200 was where I gave up. Now, English is my 2nd language so I was surprised I could go that far.

jlev1 7mo ago

A couple more I could decode from your question marks: - rauenes: ravens - “all that heard him were adrade”: I’m guessing it means “were filled with dread”, maybe “were adread” - I think deme is actually a conjugation of the archaic verb “to doom”, as in “I doom thee to the death” - “none shall thy biwepe” would be roughly “none shall beweep thee” Aside: typing this is hard on my phone, it’s so close to modern English that nearly every word gets autocorrected.

vidarh 7mo ago

> "Þ" The way to remember thorn: "Ye Oldee Shoppe". The "Ye" there is "þe" (the), written with "Y" standing in for þ - historically for typographic reasons, and in modern times just repeating that change. > "ſ" is also easy to guess and I'd seen it before. It's in use as a long s[1] in other languages too when using Fraktur style fonts in particular. One of Norways largest papers [2] still insists on using it in their header, which led someone I went to school with to insist the name was "Aftenpoften" instead of "Aftenposten" ("Evening Post"). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s [2] https://www.aftenposten.no/ https://www.aftenposten.no/