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The viewpoints that the folks who run this site have are probably quite alien to your own. They remind me more of the hackers of yore, how people who interacted

by 0_____0 8mo ago

The viewpoints that the folks who run this site have are probably quite alien to your own. They remind me more of the hackers of yore, how people who interacted with technology at the margins of society used to be, before computer tech became the new finance. Iconoclasts, idealists. I think it's worth reading the some of the rest of their site if you have time. If you look at this page and are about to crap on it on HN, take a bit and read collapse and goals and see if you have a more nuanced view of who they are and what they're doing.

Arubis 8mo ago
Whoooooo, this comment made me feel ancient. For what it's worth, the time when this sort of thinking was the dominant paradigm _overlapped_ with HN.
Barrin92 8mo ago
>If you look at this page and are about to crap on it on HN Hundred Rabbits pops up here pretty frequently and people mostly have good things to say, how can anyone dislike them, they're an oasis in a desert full of AI crap these days. I always end up going down some rabbit hole (no pun intended) on their site.
- abetusk 8mo ago
  My main critique is their non-commercial licensing. For example, the linked article is BY-NC-SA4.0. My critique is pretty minor as most of the technical releases from 100 rabbits, as far as I can tell, is libre/free licensed, with the non-commercial licensing reserved for writing and art. Even so, it means there's effort required to decouple the non-commercial aspects of projects from their libre parts and sends a big signal, to me at least, that I should only ever consider their strictly technical work for use. When talking about permacomputing, for example, I don't know why one wouldn't encourage, in any way possible, commercial viability that would lead to the stated goal. I have an affinity for the 100 rabbits folks, and I deeply respect a lot of their work, but their reliance on non-commercial licenses means that they're tacitly supporting copyright terms that are dis-proportionally long that, in most cases, is well over a century at this point. Note that Stallman also has the same stance, putting his work under a "no-derivatives" license, so it's not like free software folks believe in "free culture", either.
  - entaloneralie 8mo ago
    It's a good stance, I commend it. Although, there's a history as to why the license is there. The license exists there so that we were able to do take down requests on OpenSea. We had to make the asset license explicit for OpenSea to take down the copied works off their network. In a different world where we are not made to participate in crypto ecosystems against our will, we would not have that restriction.
    - abetusk 8mo ago
      I know I wouldn't want to restrict the use of my works just because there's a crypto bro out there that might profit from an NFT. When putting software under a libre/free license, there are compromises to be made to promote freedom. One of them is accepting that the software that's created might be used for purposes that are considered bad by the author, such as being used by military entities for violence [0]. This would be the same argument I would make for artistic works, where I would argue that the benefits of providing freedom in use of the works outweighs the potential for abuse. Part of my worry is that there's a large part of technology that is artistic (writing, text, pictures, illustration, art, music, etc.) that will be buried under a century of copyright. The overlong copyright terms means that parts of our culture will be restricted from the commons well beyond the window of relevancy. [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NoMilitary https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NoMilitary
      - entaloneralie 8mo ago
        When it happens to you, you can see how you react. I sure remember having your stance at one point, in the abstract. My personal use of license is reactionary to the situations I've experienced. I never really looked into the GPL before, their stance on military use includes freedom of usage for institutions whose purpose is surveillance and warfare, my gut feeling is that they might not have asked themselves freedom for whom? the missile manufacturer? I'm not sure that this sounds like freedom. I'll say this right out, I'll bounce out of open source if I ever see my code used for military purposes. I'll keep releasing works under the MIT until I can no longer in good conscience do so.
gsf_emergency_6 8mo ago
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- 0_____0 8mo ago
  I'm sure I got some things wrong but I'm not sure from your comment what exactly that is.
  - gsf_emergency_6 8mo ago
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- stackghost 8mo ago
  I've read this comment about 5 times and still have no idea what you're trying to say
  - amatecha 8mo ago
    it's a bot or AI or something, check their other comments. totally nonsensical posts
overfeed 8mo ago
> take a bit and read collapse Fears of a collapse are overblown by people who underestimate the resilience of communities, and over-index on individualism, i.e. preppers. There is no shame in being a prepper - if you're completely honest with yourself in the odds of the apocalypse you're gearing for, and perhaps after talking to your therapist about ways your childhood fears and insecurities may be showing up in your adult life.
- iamnothere 8mo ago
  The permacomputing community aren’t quite preppers, although there is some overlap in interests with that community. Preppers are usually concerned about one or more possible disasters and think that with the right gear they can survive the big war, the solar flare, whatever. Permacomputing is a mix of people who think we are already doomed due to climate change, concerned people who think we aren’t yet doomed and want to help/lead by example with simpler tech, and tech minimalists who aren’t worried about doom and who find the projects congruent with their desire for a simpler lifestyle.
  - overfeed 8mo ago
    I was simply commenting on the Collapse page[1] that was mentioned by gp - not the larger permacumputing community. The collapse page[1] is pure nerd-prepper material - I say this a subscriber to r/DataHoarder with a Kiwix SBC in my go-bag; I know my people. I also am self-aware enough to realize this fantasy is in line with XKCD #208[2]. Anyone that is in the US that is seriously modeling an infrastructural collapse scenario (not a brief period of unavailability), has to consider what that entails: that the federal, state and local governments have failed. If that happens, you'll have much bigger, and more fundamental problems to tackle. 1. https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/collapse.html https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/collapse.html 2. https://xkcd.com/208/ https://xkcd.com/208/
    - yellowapple 8mo ago
      Calling that collapse page “nerd-prepper material” is a bit reductionist; there's very clearly a solarpunk/left-libertarian bent to it (even ignoring the broader context of the rest of the site) that contrasts pretty starkly with the typical prepper “my house is my castle” right-propertarian mentality. The prepper seeks to survive and rule over the ashes, assuming the throne of the same legacy socioeconomic systems that produced the collapse in the first place; the solarpunk seeks to survive and build something better than ashes, learning from the mistakes of those legacy socioeconomic systems and hopefully preventing history from repeating itself. The prepper centers on the individual, or maybe one's family; the solarpunk centers on the community.
sph 8mo ago
> The viewpoints that the folks who run this site have are probably quite alien to your own. As someone that finds more kinship with the ideas in this post, this very well sums up the deepening alienation I experience when I compulsively open a new tab to this forum. I do not believe that, when I created my account 15 years ago, anyone would have called the work of Devine Lu Linvega alien or iconoclast. To me that's one of the purest examples of a hacker. A person that explores the art of computer programming just for the fun of it, instead of relegating it to simply a means to an economic end.

by 0_____0 8mo ago

Arubis 8mo ago

Whoooooo, this comment made me feel ancient. For what it's worth, the time when this sort of thinking was the dominant paradigm _overlapped_ with HN.

Barrin92 8mo ago

>If you look at this page and are about to crap on it on HN Hundred Rabbits pops up here pretty frequently and people mostly have good things to say, how can anyone dislike them, they're an oasis in a desert full of AI crap these days. I always end up going down some rabbit hole (no pun intended) on their site.

abetusk 8mo ago
My main critique is their non-commercial licensing. For example, the linked article is BY-NC-SA4.0. My critique is pretty minor as most of the technical releases from 100 rabbits, as far as I can tell, is libre/free licensed, with the non-commercial licensing reserved for writing and art. Even so, it means there's effort required to decouple the non-commercial aspects of projects from their libre parts and sends a big signal, to me at least, that I should only ever consider their strictly technical work for use. When talking about permacomputing, for example, I don't know why one wouldn't encourage, in any way possible, commercial viability that would lead to the stated goal. I have an affinity for the 100 rabbits folks, and I deeply respect a lot of their work, but their reliance on non-commercial licenses means that they're tacitly supporting copyright terms that are dis-proportionally long that, in most cases, is well over a century at this point. Note that Stallman also has the same stance, putting his work under a "no-derivatives" license, so it's not like free software folks believe in "free culture", either.
- entaloneralie 8mo ago
  It's a good stance, I commend it. Although, there's a history as to why the license is there. The license exists there so that we were able to do take down requests on OpenSea. We had to make the asset license explicit for OpenSea to take down the copied works off their network. In a different world where we are not made to participate in crypto ecosystems against our will, we would not have that restriction.
  - abetusk 8mo ago
    I know I wouldn't want to restrict the use of my works just because there's a crypto bro out there that might profit from an NFT. When putting software under a libre/free license, there are compromises to be made to promote freedom. One of them is accepting that the software that's created might be used for purposes that are considered bad by the author, such as being used by military entities for violence [0]. This would be the same argument I would make for artistic works, where I would argue that the benefits of providing freedom in use of the works outweighs the potential for abuse. Part of my worry is that there's a large part of technology that is artistic (writing, text, pictures, illustration, art, music, etc.) that will be buried under a century of copyright. The overlong copyright terms means that parts of our culture will be restricted from the commons well beyond the window of relevancy. [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NoMilitary https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NoMilitary
    - entaloneralie 8mo ago
      When it happens to you, you can see how you react. I sure remember having your stance at one point, in the abstract. My personal use of license is reactionary to the situations I've experienced. I never really looked into the GPL before, their stance on military use includes freedom of usage for institutions whose purpose is surveillance and warfare, my gut feeling is that they might not have asked themselves freedom for whom? the missile manufacturer? I'm not sure that this sounds like freedom. I'll say this right out, I'll bounce out of open source if I ever see my code used for military purposes. I'll keep releasing works under the MIT until I can no longer in good conscience do so.

gsf_emergency_6 8mo ago

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0_____0 8mo ago
I'm sure I got some things wrong but I'm not sure from your comment what exactly that is.
- gsf_emergency_6 8mo ago
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stackghost 8mo ago
I've read this comment about 5 times and still have no idea what you're trying to say
- amatecha 8mo ago
  it's a bot or AI or something, check their other comments. totally nonsensical posts

overfeed 8mo ago

> take a bit and read collapse Fears of a collapse are overblown by people who underestimate the resilience of communities, and over-index on individualism, i.e. preppers. There is no shame in being a prepper - if you're completely honest with yourself in the odds of the apocalypse you're gearing for, and perhaps after talking to your therapist about ways your childhood fears and insecurities may be showing up in your adult life.

iamnothere 8mo ago
The permacomputing community aren’t quite preppers, although there is some overlap in interests with that community. Preppers are usually concerned about one or more possible disasters and think that with the right gear they can survive the big war, the solar flare, whatever. Permacomputing is a mix of people who think we are already doomed due to climate change, concerned people who think we aren’t yet doomed and want to help/lead by example with simpler tech, and tech minimalists who aren’t worried about doom and who find the projects congruent with their desire for a simpler lifestyle.
- overfeed 8mo ago
  I was simply commenting on the Collapse page[1] that was mentioned by gp - not the larger permacumputing community. The collapse page[1] is pure nerd-prepper material - I say this a subscriber to r/DataHoarder with a Kiwix SBC in my go-bag; I know my people. I also am self-aware enough to realize this fantasy is in line with XKCD #208[2]. Anyone that is in the US that is seriously modeling an infrastructural collapse scenario (not a brief period of unavailability), has to consider what that entails: that the federal, state and local governments have failed. If that happens, you'll have much bigger, and more fundamental problems to tackle. 1. https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/collapse.html https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/collapse.html 2. https://xkcd.com/208/ https://xkcd.com/208/
  - yellowapple 8mo ago
    Calling that collapse page “nerd-prepper material” is a bit reductionist; there's very clearly a solarpunk/left-libertarian bent to it (even ignoring the broader context of the rest of the site) that contrasts pretty starkly with the typical prepper “my house is my castle” right-propertarian mentality. The prepper seeks to survive and rule over the ashes, assuming the throne of the same legacy socioeconomic systems that produced the collapse in the first place; the solarpunk seeks to survive and build something better than ashes, learning from the mistakes of those legacy socioeconomic systems and hopefully preventing history from repeating itself. The prepper centers on the individual, or maybe one's family; the solarpunk centers on the community.

sph 8mo ago

> The viewpoints that the folks who run this site have are probably quite alien to your own. As someone that finds more kinship with the ideas in this post, this very well sums up the deepening alienation I experience when I compulsively open a new tab to this forum. I do not believe that, when I created my account 15 years ago, anyone would have called the work of Devine Lu Linvega alien or iconoclast. To me that's one of the purest examples of a hacker. A person that explores the art of computer programming just for the fun of it, instead of relegating it to simply a means to an economic end.