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> Well, it doesn't, at least not at the moment. Oops. No, it still does. > but a certain amount of backlash was to be expected. Ultimately by lower class peo

> Well, it doesn't, at least not at the moment. Oops. No, it still does. > but a certain amount of backlash was to be expected. Ultimately by lower class people who tend to be racist, though. Mostly it's just that they don't like seeing new languages and foods popup. > in a democracy I would think that arguing that "the uneducated masses" are wrong is a quick path to irrelevancy. Maybe, but the uneducated masses shouldn't be making these decisions, which is why democracy is the real problem here.

spwa4 8mo ago
> Maybe, but the uneducated masses shouldn't be making these decisions, which is why democracy is the real problem here. Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? ... which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way. Because if that's the case the only outcomes are bad, and worse.
- JCattheATM 8mo ago
  > Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? I think a superior system to the one we have now is one where progressive values are embedded in from the start. Objectively, they are superior positions that can be backed up by data. > which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way These people routinely vote against their own interests. They shouldn't have a say.
  - spwa4 8mo ago
    If you think so then just vote in your favorite "data-driven" dictator. I'm sure it will all end well.
    - JCattheATM 8mo ago
      There's no one to vote for proposing a system that I would approve of.
      - spwa4 8mo ago
        That sounds like a very good thing.
        JCattheATM 8mo ago
        It's really not. I can only hope a chance for a revolution presents itself sooner rather than later, for your good, and the good of others.

spwa4 8mo ago

> Maybe, but the uneducated masses shouldn't be making these decisions, which is why democracy is the real problem here. Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? ... which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way. Because if that's the case the only outcomes are bad, and worse.

JCattheATM 8mo ago
> Do you seriously think progressives will come out on top, or even have much of a say at all, in a non-democratic system? I mean, really? I think a superior system to the one we have now is one where progressive values are embedded in from the start. Objectively, they are superior positions that can be backed up by data. > which suggests that if you can't lift up and convince "lower class" people, racist or otherwise, you should just get out of the way These people routinely vote against their own interests. They shouldn't have a say.
- spwa4 8mo ago
  If you think so then just vote in your favorite "data-driven" dictator. I'm sure it will all end well.
  - JCattheATM 8mo ago
    There's no one to vote for proposing a system that I would approve of.
    - spwa4 8mo ago
      That sounds like a very good thing.
      - JCattheATM 8mo ago
        It's really not. I can only hope a chance for a revolution presents itself sooner rather than later, for your good, and the good of others.