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I like the idea and even considered contributing to the list, but this stopped me: > NAQ (Never Asked Questions) > My website is on your list! > Cry about it

by quiet35 7mo ago

I like the idea and even considered contributing to the list, but this stopped me: > NAQ (Never Asked Questions) > My website is on your list! > Cry about it. That's quite a suspicious attitude. Clearly the maintainer believes he is infallible. I understand the emotions behind this, but this is not how a public blacklist should be maintained.

TonyTrapp 7mo ago
Yuuup. My personal website has been inaccessible to a few friends, they thought my server was down. It turned out they had some blocklist (not related to AI) installed on their PiHole, and for whatever reason my website was on that list. It is, in fact, to this day, because my request to unblock it went completely unanswered. I still don't know why the website is on the list.
- VladVladikoff 7mo ago
  Perhaps it got hacked and was hosting malware without you being aware? They are pretty good at hiding it from the site owner (showing the original website to you, but not to others).
  - TonyTrapp 7mo ago
    The server is and has been clean the whole time. I don't even run WordPress or anything similar on that server that would be a common hacking target. If it was hacked, I'm pretty sure Google Safe Browsing would be the first to flag the site, not some random PiHole list.
- jorvi 7mo ago
  Go to the Adguard GitHub (or use the extension) and report it. And get all your friends to switch to Adguard extension and Adguard Home (Pi Hole alternative) as blockers. Easylist and its sublist are notorious for being poorly maintained and ignoring issues opened against it. Adguard is much more active in maintaining its lists. Especially Adguard its language blocklists have much, much less breakage and missed ads than Easylist.
  - skeeter2020 7mo ago
    >> And get all your friends to switch to Adguard extension and Adguard Home (Pi Hole alternative) as blockers. Nice of you to slip this "easy" step into your advice. Give me a break!
    - jorvi 7mo ago
      ..? If you know how to run a Pi Hole, you know how to run Adguard Home. And installing Chromium / Firefox / Safari extensions isn't exactly rocket science.
      - KellyCriterion 7mo ago
        The crux is in the sentence of yours: >...all your friends to switch to ...< :-))
- zadikian 7mo ago
  PiHole should err on the side of false negatives, uBO on false positives. Difference being uBO only takes a click to disarm for a site. Personally I don't want to introduce any chance of my DNS being a problem.
NeutralCrane 7mo ago
Also seems a bit hypocritical given the screed about how such a list is necessary because the AI content might output hallucinations or damaging content without review. But if it’s the author’s blocklist that is wrong, unverified, and causing harm to others? Cry about it.
the_biot 7mo ago
I would add that with this attitude and how new this initiative is, there's very little chance it will still be updated 5 years from now. Really this sort of thing needs to come from Easylist or similar, who have a track record of maintaining these for years.
- Larrikin 7mo ago
  I don't understand the need for the author to commit the rest of his life to this or start a foundation. It is a good list for now and if its never updated again, that seems fine.
  - skeeter2020 7mo ago
    in that case they should just contribute to one of the existing, more established lists. We don't need n+1 standards...
    - Larrikin 7mo ago
      Which lists is open to this kind of contribution?
  - jjcob 7mo ago
    If a blocklist doesn't get updated it is outdated in a week. Some tools are useful without updates. A blocklist for AI content farms that are sprouting like crazy is not helpful if it isn't updated.
Drupon 7mo ago
Probably because there's about the same chance of them being innocent as the "Help I was wrongfully banned by VAC :(((" posts in the Counterstrike community.
- matheusmoreira 7mo ago
  Reminder that false positives are not only possible but likely. I remember one instance where you could get people banned by sending them a specific string of characters over chat. Anticheat was scanning the entire contents of RAM looking for it. These days anticheat software is likely to snap at anything. Who knows what they think of the development tools Hacker News users are likely to have on their computers? They really hate virtual machines for example. There's no telling how they'd react to a debugger or profiler.
  - Drupon 7mo ago
    Yeah that's what the people love to say on the Steam forums when they've gotten busted in one of its many ban waves.
    - s0ss 7mo ago
      Both of you can be right.
    - matheusmoreira 7mo ago
      Never claimed otherwise. Just saying it's a fact of life that every test has false positives and false negatives. The "is this player cheating" test is no exception. Check out this amazing episode: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26296339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26296339 Dude got so fed up with long loading times he debugged the game and not only discovered the cause but actually fixed it. Billion dollar corporation couldn't be assed to do it. Gotta wonder if this guy wouldn't have gotten banned by the anticheat for having the audacity to hook into the game with a debugger or something. Only cheaters do that sort of thing right?
      - 7mo ago
well_ackshually 7mo ago
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- JamesLeonis 7mo ago
  I agree. I find it a bit ironic that this site regularly talks about banning whole countries and IP ranges on our servers, then acts shocked when users do the same. The fact that somebody went to the effort to create and share this shows how poorly the public sees the web. The reality we face is "Check your AdBlocker" is the new "Check your spam folder" and we should adjust accordingly.
- tokenless 7mo ago
  Problem is if this becomes popular and people being lazy assume blocked site means slop without checking, then the repo has a lot of power to break innocent sites. I don't have an answer because as you say with power comes people wrangling over power. And claw sloperators can be way more persistent!
DrammBA 7mo ago
You forgot: > A personal list for uBlock Origin
ycombinatrix 7mo ago
If the website is not AI slop, presumably they would remove it from the list.
Chris2048 7mo ago
Not any more it seems: https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist/commit/7ebaa71b6bcbb0e149ac2811ee414e1b98fcf467 https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist/commit/7ebaa7...
GaryBluto 7mo ago
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wasmainiac 7mo ago
Fork it then!

by quiet35 7mo ago

TonyTrapp 7mo ago

Yuuup. My personal website has been inaccessible to a few friends, they thought my server was down. It turned out they had some blocklist (not related to AI) installed on their PiHole, and for whatever reason my website was on that list. It is, in fact, to this day, because my request to unblock it went completely unanswered. I still don't know why the website is on the list.

VladVladikoff 7mo ago
Perhaps it got hacked and was hosting malware without you being aware? They are pretty good at hiding it from the site owner (showing the original website to you, but not to others).
- TonyTrapp 7mo ago
  The server is and has been clean the whole time. I don't even run WordPress or anything similar on that server that would be a common hacking target. If it was hacked, I'm pretty sure Google Safe Browsing would be the first to flag the site, not some random PiHole list.
jorvi 7mo ago
Go to the Adguard GitHub (or use the extension) and report it. And get all your friends to switch to Adguard extension and Adguard Home (Pi Hole alternative) as blockers. Easylist and its sublist are notorious for being poorly maintained and ignoring issues opened against it. Adguard is much more active in maintaining its lists. Especially Adguard its language blocklists have much, much less breakage and missed ads than Easylist.
- skeeter2020 7mo ago
  >> And get all your friends to switch to Adguard extension and Adguard Home (Pi Hole alternative) as blockers. Nice of you to slip this "easy" step into your advice. Give me a break!
  - jorvi 7mo ago
    ..? If you know how to run a Pi Hole, you know how to run Adguard Home. And installing Chromium / Firefox / Safari extensions isn't exactly rocket science.
    - KellyCriterion 7mo ago
      The crux is in the sentence of yours: >...all your friends to switch to ...< :-))
zadikian 7mo ago
PiHole should err on the side of false negatives, uBO on false positives. Difference being uBO only takes a click to disarm for a site. Personally I don't want to introduce any chance of my DNS being a problem.

NeutralCrane 7mo ago

Also seems a bit hypocritical given the screed about how such a list is necessary because the AI content might output hallucinations or damaging content without review. But if it’s the author’s blocklist that is wrong, unverified, and causing harm to others? Cry about it.

the_biot 7mo ago

I would add that with this attitude and how new this initiative is, there's very little chance it will still be updated 5 years from now. Really this sort of thing needs to come from Easylist or similar, who have a track record of maintaining these for years.

Larrikin 7mo ago
I don't understand the need for the author to commit the rest of his life to this or start a foundation. It is a good list for now and if its never updated again, that seems fine.
- skeeter2020 7mo ago
  in that case they should just contribute to one of the existing, more established lists. We don't need n+1 standards...
  - Larrikin 7mo ago
    Which lists is open to this kind of contribution?
- jjcob 7mo ago
  If a blocklist doesn't get updated it is outdated in a week. Some tools are useful without updates. A blocklist for AI content farms that are sprouting like crazy is not helpful if it isn't updated.

Drupon 7mo ago

Probably because there's about the same chance of them being innocent as the "Help I was wrongfully banned by VAC :(((" posts in the Counterstrike community.

matheusmoreira 7mo ago
Reminder that false positives are not only possible but likely. I remember one instance where you could get people banned by sending them a specific string of characters over chat. Anticheat was scanning the entire contents of RAM looking for it. These days anticheat software is likely to snap at anything. Who knows what they think of the development tools Hacker News users are likely to have on their computers? They really hate virtual machines for example. There's no telling how they'd react to a debugger or profiler.
- Drupon 7mo ago
  Yeah that's what the people love to say on the Steam forums when they've gotten busted in one of its many ban waves.
  - s0ss 7mo ago
    Both of you can be right.
  - matheusmoreira 7mo ago
    Never claimed otherwise. Just saying it's a fact of life that every test has false positives and false negatives. The "is this player cheating" test is no exception. Check out this amazing episode: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26296339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26296339 Dude got so fed up with long loading times he debugged the game and not only discovered the cause but actually fixed it. Billion dollar corporation couldn't be assed to do it. Gotta wonder if this guy wouldn't have gotten banned by the anticheat for having the audacity to hook into the game with a debugger or something. Only cheaters do that sort of thing right?
    - 7mo ago

well_ackshually 7mo ago

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JamesLeonis 7mo ago
I agree. I find it a bit ironic that this site regularly talks about banning whole countries and IP ranges on our servers, then acts shocked when users do the same. The fact that somebody went to the effort to create and share this shows how poorly the public sees the web. The reality we face is "Check your AdBlocker" is the new "Check your spam folder" and we should adjust accordingly.
tokenless 7mo ago
Problem is if this becomes popular and people being lazy assume blocked site means slop without checking, then the repo has a lot of power to break innocent sites. I don't have an answer because as you say with power comes people wrangling over power. And claw sloperators can be way more persistent!

DrammBA 7mo ago

You forgot: > A personal list for uBlock Origin

ycombinatrix 7mo ago

If the website is not AI slop, presumably they would remove it from the list.

Chris2048 7mo ago

Not any more it seems: https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist/commit/7ebaa71b6bcbb0e149ac2811ee414e1b98fcf467 https://github.com/alvi-se/ai-ublock-blacklist/commit/7ebaa7...

GaryBluto 7mo ago

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wasmainiac 7mo ago

Fork it then!