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How do you explain the low quality of software coming out of all of the other countries you have mentioned with protected titles? The software is happening reg

How do you explain the low quality of software coming out of all of the other countries you have mentioned with protected titles? The software is happening regardless of title and you haven’t given any examples of the value of where kissing the ring to get the certification has been critical to Canada/Germany/Switzerland producing better software.

godelski 8mo ago
Are all programmers called engineers in these countries? You've made such a wild assumption that I'm convinced you're more interested in fighting then discussing
- kortilla 8mo ago
  No, im looking for literally any evidence that the quality of software that comes from areas that require the protected name is better than something like the NASA coding guidelines.
pjmlp 8mo ago
There are engineers, and there are brick layers. You mean Android's great quality, or Chrome CVEs by the way?
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  Just because you have an engineering degree doesn't mean your code is of better quality and security than someone without an engineering degree. Signed, someone with an CS engineering degree.
  - pjmlp 8mo ago
    It surely means one has the responsibility to be one as such, having had the education that others have not.
    - joe_mamba 8mo ago
      Most web dev, gaming jobs don't care about those things, they care if you can ship fast and cheap. There's embedded and safety related SW that need well thought out safeguards but a lot of that slow moving SW has been farmed out to Asia, EE and India.
    - kortilla 8mo ago
      No it doesn’t. Getting an engineering degree does not allow you to use the protected title. The protected titles are gate kept by associations and are not tied to knowledge.
- kortilla 8mo ago
  I mean the quality of people following NASAs C style guidelines. Where is there any evidence that people using the protected title are producing higher quality software than companies in equivalent industries in the US?

godelski 8mo ago

Are all programmers called engineers in these countries? You've made such a wild assumption that I'm convinced you're more interested in fighting then discussing

kortilla 8mo ago
No, im looking for literally any evidence that the quality of software that comes from areas that require the protected name is better than something like the NASA coding guidelines.

pjmlp 8mo ago

There are engineers, and there are brick layers. You mean Android's great quality, or Chrome CVEs by the way?

joe_mamba 8mo ago
Just because you have an engineering degree doesn't mean your code is of better quality and security than someone without an engineering degree. Signed, someone with an CS engineering degree.
- pjmlp 8mo ago
  It surely means one has the responsibility to be one as such, having had the education that others have not.
  - joe_mamba 8mo ago
    Most web dev, gaming jobs don't care about those things, they care if you can ship fast and cheap. There's embedded and safety related SW that need well thought out safeguards but a lot of that slow moving SW has been farmed out to Asia, EE and India.
  - kortilla 8mo ago
    No it doesn’t. Getting an engineering degree does not allow you to use the protected title. The protected titles are gate kept by associations and are not tied to knowledge.
kortilla 8mo ago
I mean the quality of people following NASAs C style guidelines. Where is there any evidence that people using the protected title are producing higher quality software than companies in equivalent industries in the US?