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Because the establishment knows how integral to the economy immigration is and because it isn't that easy to stop even for an island. Unless you want to shut do

Because the establishment knows how integral to the economy immigration is and because it isn't that easy to stop even for an island. Unless you want to shut down tourism and trade.

davidguetta 8mo ago
Stopping is a long way from "actively encouraging it and calling racist everybody who disagree" (and actively hide horrific stuff like the rape gangs).
- ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
  If the guy who was once second in line to the throne is in a rape gang, and that's been covered up for years, maybe it's not an immigrant thing.
  - davidguetta 8mo ago
    The coverup in both cases is a crimes
- threatofrain 8mo ago
  I think the problem is creating an effective anti-immigration movement which does not have racial feelings running through the movement. It might just be impossible to do. When you wish to corral the votes you may have to accept the feelings of those who help you win.
  - davidguetta 8mo ago
    Its really not hard to say "people coming from terrible countries without filtering drag us down on average". Its statistically reasonable and not racist
kjksf 8mo ago
Based on what data? The immigration we're talking about, the one of Africans etc. immigrants flooding west, is destructive to the economies based on pretty much every statistic I've seen. Those immigrants are on welfare in disproportional numbers compared to native population. E.g. in US 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. They cost the state gigantic amount of money. And per-capita crime stats are so bad that governments are hiding them from public. This is all documented by government's own statistics and reasonably well reported. Immigration COULD be a net positive to the economy IF it was managed properly but it isn't and it isn't. Tourism isn't immigration and I don't see what trade has to do with it.
- breakyerself 8mo ago
  > 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. This is bullshit. Donald Trump isn't a credible source on statistics about immigration. The highest percentage I can find for food stamps is 54% and a high percentage of food stamps recipients are employed. https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota?utm_source=perplexity https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota?utm_sourc... Asylum seekers in the US are a net positive source of revenue. They also create jobs and drive economic growth. https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/28fe4e756499bdab08b4e6cb3b952e22/aspe-report-refugee-fiscal-impact.pdf?utm_source=perplexity https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/28fe4e756...
  - ycucucjc 8mo ago
    A mere 54%.
    - snark_attack 8mo ago
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    - breakyerself 8mo ago
      54 is lower than 72 and only a fraction of people receiving food benefits receive additional benefits that would qualify them as being on "welfare" 2/3 of natural born US citizens will live in a household that receives food assistance at some point in their lives. 60-75% of Somolis are working. So there's a good percentage there that are working and paying taxes, but need some extra assistance. I don't see a lot of fake news/statistics going around about white immigrants to the US. Funny how it's all Somolis and Hatians that are stuck being smeared by misinformation. What could that be about.
alecco 8mo ago
> Because the establishment Let me fix that for you: because the establishment is owned by the corporations who want to suppress wages, rise demand, pump gross GDP, and pump real estate. And because governments running on deficits are slaves to the banking cartel, too.

Because the establishment knows how integral to the economy immigration is and because it isn't that easy to stop even for an island. Unless you want to shut down tourism and trade.

davidguetta 8mo ago

Stopping is a long way from "actively encouraging it and calling racist everybody who disagree" (and actively hide horrific stuff like the rape gangs).

ZeroGravitas 8mo ago
If the guy who was once second in line to the throne is in a rape gang, and that's been covered up for years, maybe it's not an immigrant thing.
- davidguetta 8mo ago
  The coverup in both cases is a crimes
threatofrain 8mo ago
I think the problem is creating an effective anti-immigration movement which does not have racial feelings running through the movement. It might just be impossible to do. When you wish to corral the votes you may have to accept the feelings of those who help you win.
- davidguetta 8mo ago
  Its really not hard to say "people coming from terrible countries without filtering drag us down on average". Its statistically reasonable and not racist

kjksf 8mo ago

Based on what data? The immigration we're talking about, the one of Africans etc. immigrants flooding west, is destructive to the economies based on pretty much every statistic I've seen. Those immigrants are on welfare in disproportional numbers compared to native population. E.g. in US 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. They cost the state gigantic amount of money. And per-capita crime stats are so bad that governments are hiding them from public. This is all documented by government's own statistics and reasonably well reported. Immigration COULD be a net positive to the economy IF it was managed properly but it isn't and it isn't. Tourism isn't immigration and I don't see what trade has to do with it.

breakyerself 8mo ago
> 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. This is bullshit. Donald Trump isn't a credible source on statistics about immigration. The highest percentage I can find for food stamps is 54% and a high percentage of food stamps recipients are employed. https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota?utm_source=perplexity https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota?utm_sourc... Asylum seekers in the US are a net positive source of revenue. They also create jobs and drive economic growth. https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/28fe4e756499bdab08b4e6cb3b952e22/aspe-report-refugee-fiscal-impact.pdf?utm_source=perplexity https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/28fe4e756...
- ycucucjc 8mo ago
  A mere 54%.
  - snark_attack 8mo ago
    [dead]
  - breakyerself 8mo ago
    54 is lower than 72 and only a fraction of people receiving food benefits receive additional benefits that would qualify them as being on "welfare" 2/3 of natural born US citizens will live in a household that receives food assistance at some point in their lives. 60-75% of Somolis are working. So there's a good percentage there that are working and paying taxes, but need some extra assistance. I don't see a lot of fake news/statistics going around about white immigrants to the US. Funny how it's all Somolis and Hatians that are stuck being smeared by misinformation. What could that be about.

alecco 8mo ago

> Because the establishment Let me fix that for you: because the establishment is owned by the corporations who want to suppress wages, rise demand, pump gross GDP, and pump real estate. And because governments running on deficits are slaves to the banking cartel, too.