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The UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

35 points by n1b0m 8mo ago

_9za9 8mo ago
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- TacticalCoder 8mo ago
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  - defrost 8mo ago
    > never reporting on the actual criminals arrested by ICE Because the numbers are so low. Still, don't despair, the shortfall is over inflated by Fox News and their ilk who make a major production out of the the few actual criminals deported (although they rarely report on the citizens who are arrested) Swings and arrows (as the saying doesn't go). Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-arrests-violent-criminal-records-trump-first-year/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-arrests-violent-criminal-re...
  - kenloef 8mo ago
    There is a principle in criminal law called Blackstone's Ratio: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” Does this fit into your conception of justice? Why or why not?
  - deleted 8mo ago
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- defrost 8mo ago
  > the British don't need a visa to come to America as tourists. They require a visa OR a visa equivalent. To enter or transit through the US, you must have either an Electronic System for Travel Authorisation (ESTA) OR a visa. GOV.UK travel advice to UK nationals seeking US entry. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requirements https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requireme... The woman having a visa is common and doesn't negate the tale told.
  - _9za9 8mo ago
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    - defrost 8mo ago
      Read again: The dream holiday ended abruptly on Friday 26 September, as Karen and Bill were trying to leave the US. When they crossed the border, Canadian officials told them they didn’t have the correct paperwork to bring the car with them. They were turned back to Montana on the American side – and to US border control officials. Bill’s US visa had expired; Karen’s had not. and Karen was incarcerated for a total of six weeks – even though she had been travelling with a valid visa. Not her husbands. Her tourist visa. If you have better sources for the events of this incident then by all means provide them. > But I get it, you are into outrage culture Read again: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Do better.
      - _9za9 8mo ago
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- manfromchina1 8mo ago
  A US visa is typically for entering only. It doesnt say anything about the duration of stay. The latter is determined by CBP at the port of entrance and printed on your I-94. This is never emphasized anywhere.
tim-tday 8mo ago
Why would any tourist travel to the United States in the current situation?
lawn 8mo ago
She was going to leave the country and ICE still detained her. That doesn't quite fit with ICE supposedly wanting to deport criminals.
- n1b0m 8mo ago
  No it doesn’t. Several European and Canadian tourists were detained by ICE for weeks rather than being immediately deported. These individuals were often held in detention centres, sometimes in inhumane or prison-like conditions. Here are specific cases of tourists detained by ICE: Rebecca Burke: A 28-year-old Welsh backpacker was held for 19 days in a Washington state ICE processing center. She was attempting to cross into Canada, but was sent back to the U.S. She described being shackled and wearing an orange jumpsuit. Jessica Brösche: A German tourist was stopped at the San Diego border crossing and held for 45 days, including eight days in solitary confinement. Lucas Sielaff: A German citizen was detained for 16 days in an immigration detention center after being accused of violating his 90-day U.S. tourist permit. Fabian Schmidt: A German national was detained upon entering the U.S. from Luxembourg. Jasmine Mooney: A Canadian actor was held for nearly two weeks in an ICE detention center after being stopped at the San Ysidro border crossing. Sarah Shaw: A New Zealand tourist and her six-year-old son were detained for three weeks.
- dietr1ch 8mo ago
  It fits ICE meeting quotas in the most absurd way possible

35 points by n1b0m 8mo ago

_9za9 8mo ago

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TacticalCoder 8mo ago
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- defrost 8mo ago
  > never reporting on the actual criminals arrested by ICE Because the numbers are so low. Still, don't despair, the shortfall is over inflated by Fox News and their ilk who make a major production out of the the few actual criminals deported (although they rarely report on the citizens who are arrested) Swings and arrows (as the saying doesn't go). Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-arrests-violent-criminal-records-trump-first-year/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-arrests-violent-criminal-re...
- kenloef 8mo ago
  There is a principle in criminal law called Blackstone's Ratio: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” Does this fit into your conception of justice? Why or why not?
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
defrost 8mo ago
> the British don't need a visa to come to America as tourists. They require a visa OR a visa equivalent. To enter or transit through the US, you must have either an Electronic System for Travel Authorisation (ESTA) OR a visa. GOV.UK travel advice to UK nationals seeking US entry. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requirements https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa/entry-requireme... The woman having a visa is common and doesn't negate the tale told.
- _9za9 8mo ago
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  - defrost 8mo ago
    Read again: The dream holiday ended abruptly on Friday 26 September, as Karen and Bill were trying to leave the US. When they crossed the border, Canadian officials told them they didn’t have the correct paperwork to bring the car with them. They were turned back to Montana on the American side – and to US border control officials. Bill’s US visa had expired; Karen’s had not. and Karen was incarcerated for a total of six weeks – even though she had been travelling with a valid visa. Not her husbands. Her tourist visa. If you have better sources for the events of this incident then by all means provide them. > But I get it, you are into outrage culture Read again: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Do better.
    - _9za9 8mo ago
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manfromchina1 8mo ago
A US visa is typically for entering only. It doesnt say anything about the duration of stay. The latter is determined by CBP at the port of entrance and printed on your I-94. This is never emphasized anywhere.

tim-tday 8mo ago

Why would any tourist travel to the United States in the current situation?

lawn 8mo ago

She was going to leave the country and ICE still detained her. That doesn't quite fit with ICE supposedly wanting to deport criminals.

n1b0m 8mo ago
No it doesn’t. Several European and Canadian tourists were detained by ICE for weeks rather than being immediately deported. These individuals were often held in detention centres, sometimes in inhumane or prison-like conditions. Here are specific cases of tourists detained by ICE: Rebecca Burke: A 28-year-old Welsh backpacker was held for 19 days in a Washington state ICE processing center. She was attempting to cross into Canada, but was sent back to the U.S. She described being shackled and wearing an orange jumpsuit. Jessica Brösche: A German tourist was stopped at the San Diego border crossing and held for 45 days, including eight days in solitary confinement. Lucas Sielaff: A German citizen was detained for 16 days in an immigration detention center after being accused of violating his 90-day U.S. tourist permit. Fabian Schmidt: A German national was detained upon entering the U.S. from Luxembourg. Jasmine Mooney: A Canadian actor was held for nearly two weeks in an ICE detention center after being stopped at the San Ysidro border crossing. Sarah Shaw: A New Zealand tourist and her six-year-old son were detained for three weeks.
dietr1ch 8mo ago
It fits ICE meeting quotas in the most absurd way possible