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Those things that you mentioned you can do it on the website meaning also a open computer too

JoshTriplett 8mo ago
> Those things that you mentioned you can do it on the website No, unfortunately some things can't be. There are venues that provide tickets exclusively via mobile applications, for instance.
- colordrops 8mo ago
  Well fuck those venues. It's a small percentage. I've never run into one and I live in LA, a city with hundreds if not thousands of venues. So you only get 98% of the world instead of 100%. That 98% is far more than the the 100% of 10 years ago. Everyone wants perfection when they've already got abundance.
  - EvanAnderson 8mo ago
    It has been reported that Ticketmaster has exclusive agreements with 70-80% of US venues. It's great that you have all the choices you do. For me, in western Ohio, every major venue for hundreds of miles in every direction is an exclusive Ticketmaster venue. You can't gain admittance to any show in those venues without a phone that can run their proprietary app. Ticketmaster is bullshit, for sure, but they're just one example of the problem of being forced to use proprietary user-hostile software.
    - colordrops 8mo ago
      See this is the bullshit I'm taking about. You can print ticketmaster tickets. So much self victimization to avoid using open alternatives.
      - JoshTriplett 8mo ago
        > See this is the bullshit I'm taking about. You can print ticketmaster tickets. So much confidence for an incorrect answer. As cited elsewhere in the thread, some venues are "no app, no entry", and do not have paper tickets.
        colordrops 8mo ago
        Once again, never heard of this. It must be a rare exception because ticketmaster allows you to print them. Back to my 98% argument. Can you cite a venue that won't take printed tickets? Edit: it looks like NFL doesn't take them, BUT you can go to the box office with an order number and still get in, so same thing.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 8mo ago
  "There are venues that provide tickets exclusively via mobile applications, for instance." Turns out Ticketmaster still has ticket printing machines at such venues Was at a game at one of them, claimed I had a problem with the app and after some negotiation at the ticket window a millennial printed me a ticket Why do they still have the printers The "I'm having a problem with the app" strategy can work in other contexts too. The phone can be configured so that a young person trying to help gives up "Modern" software is highly fallible and everyone knows it
  - EvanAnderson 8mo ago
    Ticketmaster is it's own particular problem that needs to be dealt with, even if it is emblematic of a bigger issue with companies demanding users to run proprietary software. I have recent (October and November, 2025-- venues in Indianapolis, IN and Cincinnati, OH) personal experience with this. With one venue I was able to play the "confused old man" card (via phone) and get the box office to print my tickets and hold them at will call. At another venue I called prior to my show and tried the same tactic. They told me flat out "no phone, no admittance, tough luck for you" and cited the warnings and terms on the Ticketmaster website that I'd already agreed-to. I didn't want to chance losing out on $300 of tickets I bought so I knuckled under and loaded the Ticketmaster app on my wife's iPhone. I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as you say it is, and I don't have the stomach to risk being denied access to events I bought tickets for-- particularly at the pricing levels of today's shows.
  - 1vuio0pswjnm7 8mo ago
    When people have problems using apps, alternatives are often available Perhaps this is why, e.g., venues that "require" apps still have ticket printing machines and still print tickets when there are problems with using the apps The situation is not so "cut and dried" that no one ever attends an event at these venues using printed tickets instead of displaying the ticket on the phones they bring to the event There are alternatives to apps that are sometimes used, e.g., when customers have problems, even when businesses try to "require" apps As such, businesses do not always succeed in collecting the same amount of data from every customer This is not to say customers who try to avoid unnecessary data collection always succeed, either Generally, trying is a prequisite to succeeding If most customers do not try it does not mean no customer succeeds. There are some who do, at least some of the time

> Those things that you mentioned you can do it on the website No, unfortunately some things can't be. There are venues that provide tickets exclusively via mobile applications, for instance.

colordrops 8mo ago
Well fuck those venues. It's a small percentage. I've never run into one and I live in LA, a city with hundreds if not thousands of venues. So you only get 98% of the world instead of 100%. That 98% is far more than the the 100% of 10 years ago. Everyone wants perfection when they've already got abundance.
- EvanAnderson 8mo ago
  It has been reported that Ticketmaster has exclusive agreements with 70-80% of US venues. It's great that you have all the choices you do. For me, in western Ohio, every major venue for hundreds of miles in every direction is an exclusive Ticketmaster venue. You can't gain admittance to any show in those venues without a phone that can run their proprietary app. Ticketmaster is bullshit, for sure, but they're just one example of the problem of being forced to use proprietary user-hostile software.
  - colordrops 8mo ago
    See this is the bullshit I'm taking about. You can print ticketmaster tickets. So much self victimization to avoid using open alternatives.
    - JoshTriplett 8mo ago
      > See this is the bullshit I'm taking about. You can print ticketmaster tickets. So much confidence for an incorrect answer. As cited elsewhere in the thread, some venues are "no app, no entry", and do not have paper tickets.
      - colordrops 8mo ago
        Once again, never heard of this. It must be a rare exception because ticketmaster allows you to print them. Back to my 98% argument. Can you cite a venue that won't take printed tickets? Edit: it looks like NFL doesn't take them, BUT you can go to the box office with an order number and still get in, so same thing.
1vuio0pswjnm7 8mo ago
"There are venues that provide tickets exclusively via mobile applications, for instance." Turns out Ticketmaster still has ticket printing machines at such venues Was at a game at one of them, claimed I had a problem with the app and after some negotiation at the ticket window a millennial printed me a ticket Why do they still have the printers The "I'm having a problem with the app" strategy can work in other contexts too. The phone can be configured so that a young person trying to help gives up "Modern" software is highly fallible and everyone knows it
- EvanAnderson 8mo ago
  Ticketmaster is it's own particular problem that needs to be dealt with, even if it is emblematic of a bigger issue with companies demanding users to run proprietary software. I have recent (October and November, 2025-- venues in Indianapolis, IN and Cincinnati, OH) personal experience with this. With one venue I was able to play the "confused old man" card (via phone) and get the box office to print my tickets and hold them at will call. At another venue I called prior to my show and tried the same tactic. They told me flat out "no phone, no admittance, tough luck for you" and cited the warnings and terms on the Ticketmaster website that I'd already agreed-to. I didn't want to chance losing out on $300 of tickets I bought so I knuckled under and loaded the Ticketmaster app on my wife's iPhone. I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as you say it is, and I don't have the stomach to risk being denied access to events I bought tickets for-- particularly at the pricing levels of today's shows.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 8mo ago
  When people have problems using apps, alternatives are often available Perhaps this is why, e.g., venues that "require" apps still have ticket printing machines and still print tickets when there are problems with using the apps The situation is not so "cut and dried" that no one ever attends an event at these venues using printed tickets instead of displaying the ticket on the phones they bring to the event There are alternatives to apps that are sometimes used, e.g., when customers have problems, even when businesses try to "require" apps As such, businesses do not always succeed in collecting the same amount of data from every customer This is not to say customers who try to avoid unnecessary data collection always succeed, either Generally, trying is a prequisite to succeeding If most customers do not try it does not mean no customer succeeds. There are some who do, at least some of the time