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(Throwaway account.) Several people have mentioned that "you can just own your own data, so that's enough, right?" Interoperating with Bluesky requires you to
by publius_frog 8mo ago
(Throwaway account.)
Several people have mentioned that "you can just own your own data, so that's enough, right?"
Interoperating with Bluesky requires you to either 1) opt into the did:plc standard, which is a centrally controlled certificate transparency log, or 2) have all your users create did:web accounts by manually setting DNS records.
So it is not possible to build on Bluesky at all without opting into this centrally controlled layer. This original post covers this, but maybe not in enough detail to stop commenters from missing the point.
Bluesky the company controls 95%+ of PDSes in the system, which control users' private keys, and they're extending PDSes to include more functionality that prevents users from easily exiting the network, e.g. private data is being implemented in a way where Bluesky LLC can see all your activity. The protocol changes often and with limited community input.
This is being done because "there are no other ways to do it" and "our users are okay with it". The community does pretty consistently attack people who dissent (e.g. look at what happened when Mastodon leaders objected). There's a lot of cheerleading for people who do opt into the system, and there's really no incentive for informed criticisms.
It's not really decentralized or neutral infrastructure; it's a great network for a number of specific subcultures who have a nice space away from X, and I hope the team embraces that.
- verdverm 8mo agoThe work to make the PLC not centralized has already begun 1. Non-profit (separate entity from Bluesky) 2. Moving to Switzerland (get the f' out of the US) 3. Consortium control (proof-of-authority) A PLC read-only mirror implementation was released the last week. I've been running one for a almost a year, redoing my hardware right now, so it's currently down. There are others out there.
- kevinak 8mo agoThis is still centralized.
- verdverm 8mo agoIt's still good enough for most people you don't have to like it, that's fine, you have Nostr as an alternative but when Nostr people come around bad mouthing everyone else, especially with outdated and misleading claims, you make people want to use Nostr less
- davidgerard 8mo agoWhich specific claims are "outdated"? Your answers have all been that it'll be solved in the fabulous future. Quite possibly! But until it happens, it hasn't happened.
- verdverm 8mo agothe work is currently happening, which I have mentioned in other comments, since you indicated you have read them
- davidgerard 8mo agoit was "currently happening" in May 2023, but I look forward to the working examples! also, that's not a list of which specific claims are "outdated"
- verdverm 8mo agoAn official read-only mirror was released last week > also, that's not a you didn't respond to some of my points and questions, I'm leaving it as an exercise for the reader at this point
- prmoustache 8mo agoAt this point it sounds like a Duke Nukem Forever thing and it will be funcional around 2038, and be totally obsolete at this point.
- verdverm 8mo ago