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Is that, itself, true or disinformation?

by behringer 8mo ago

drum55 8mo ago
It was true and visible when reported, yeah.
- deleted 8mo ago
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stuffoverflow 8mo ago
I've not seen any evidence of them editing archived pages BUT the DDOSing of gyrovague.com is true and still actively taking place. The author of that blog is Finnish leading archive.today to ban all Finnish IPs by giving them endless captcha loops. After solving the first captcha, the page reloads and a javascript snippet appears in the source that attempts to spam gyrovague.com with repeated fetches.
- mmooss 8mo ago
  How do you know that? Did you see it (do you have a Finnish IP?)?
  - delusional 8mo ago
    This is quite an interesting question. For a single datapoint, I happen to have access to a VPN that's supposedly in Finland, and connecting through that didn't make any captcha loop appear on archive.today. The page worked fine. Now it's obviously possible that my VPN was whitelisted somehow, or that the GeoIP of it is lying. This is just a singular datapoint.
    - fear-anger-hate 8mo ago
      As another datapoint with Finnish IP from Mullvad VPN: CAPTCHA loop and indeed after solving first CAPTCHA this can be found in page source: setInterval(function(){fetch("https://gyrovague.com/tag/"+Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,3+Math.random()*8)+"/ https://gyrovague.com/tag/"+Math.random().toString(36).subst...",{ referrerPolicy:"no-referrer",mode:"no-cors" });},1400);
    - hnlmorg 8mo ago
      It’s also pretty common for VPNs to have exit nodes physically located in different counties to where they report those IPs (to GeoIP databases) as having originated from.
    - BoredPositron 8mo ago
      VPNs usually don't tell you much about residential experiences.
  - stuffoverflow 8mo ago
    Yes I have Finnish IP and just before I wrote that post I tested it to make sure it was still happening. I assume it must be a blanket ban on Finnish IPs as there has been comments about it on Reddit and none of my friends can get it to work either. 5 different ISPs were tried. So at the very least it seems to affect majority of Finnish residential connections.
    - mmooss 8mo ago
      > just before I wrote that post I tested it to make sure it was still happening That's awesome. I wish everyone made sure of their facts. Thanks.
- verteu 7mo ago
  > I've not seen any evidence of them editing archived pages There is evidence of this in the article you're commenting on.
ndiddy 8mo ago
They did edit archived pages. They temporarily did a find/replace on their archive to replace "Nora Puchreiner" (an alias the site operator uses) with "Jani Patokallio" (the name of the blogger who wrote about archive.today's owner). https://megalodon.jp/2026-0219-1634-10/https://archive.ph:443/LZymb https://megalodon.jp/2026-0219-1634-10/https://archive.ph:44... They also tampered with their archive for a few of the social media sites (Twitter, Instagram, Blogger) by changing the name of the signed in account to Jani Patokallio. https://megalodon.jp/2026-0220-0320-05/https://archive.is:443/search/?q=Jani+Patokallio https://megalodon.jp/2026-0220-0320-05/https://archive.is:44... I think Wikipedia made the right decision, you can't trust an archival service for citations if every time the sysop gets in a row they tamper with their database.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 8mo ago
  This is so ‘early internet beef’ quaint. What next? Are they going to G-line each other?
  - behringer 8mo ago
    It it utterly stupid when you consider that the host needed to replace their username with something to conceal their user accounts.
- amiga386 8mo ago
  Reminds me of https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/reddit-ceo-edits-user-comments_n_5839cf32e4b000af95ee5b68 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/reddit-ceo-edits-user...
  - direwolf20 7mo ago
    The Reddit CEO's life isn't in danger from people knowing who he is, to be fair.
thefilmore 8mo ago
It's true. https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/808911640210866176/people-ask-questions-like-why-are-you https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/808911640210866176/people...
daymanstep 8mo ago
I've also noticed archive.today injecting suspicious looking ads into archived pages that originally did not have ads.

Is that, itself, true or disinformation?

drum55 8mo ago

It was true and visible when reported, yeah.

deleted 8mo ago
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stuffoverflow 8mo ago

I've not seen any evidence of them editing archived pages BUT the DDOSing of gyrovague.com is true and still actively taking place. The author of that blog is Finnish leading archive.today to ban all Finnish IPs by giving them endless captcha loops. After solving the first captcha, the page reloads and a javascript snippet appears in the source that attempts to spam gyrovague.com with repeated fetches.

mmooss 8mo ago
How do you know that? Did you see it (do you have a Finnish IP?)?
- delusional 8mo ago
  This is quite an interesting question. For a single datapoint, I happen to have access to a VPN that's supposedly in Finland, and connecting through that didn't make any captcha loop appear on archive.today. The page worked fine. Now it's obviously possible that my VPN was whitelisted somehow, or that the GeoIP of it is lying. This is just a singular datapoint.
  - fear-anger-hate 8mo ago
    As another datapoint with Finnish IP from Mullvad VPN: CAPTCHA loop and indeed after solving first CAPTCHA this can be found in page source: setInterval(function(){fetch("https://gyrovague.com/tag/"+Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,3+Math.random()*8)+"/ https://gyrovague.com/tag/"+Math.random().toString(36).subst...",{ referrerPolicy:"no-referrer",mode:"no-cors" });},1400);
  - hnlmorg 8mo ago
    It’s also pretty common for VPNs to have exit nodes physically located in different counties to where they report those IPs (to GeoIP databases) as having originated from.
  - BoredPositron 8mo ago
    VPNs usually don't tell you much about residential experiences.
- stuffoverflow 8mo ago
  Yes I have Finnish IP and just before I wrote that post I tested it to make sure it was still happening. I assume it must be a blanket ban on Finnish IPs as there has been comments about it on Reddit and none of my friends can get it to work either. 5 different ISPs were tried. So at the very least it seems to affect majority of Finnish residential connections.
  - mmooss 8mo ago
    > just before I wrote that post I tested it to make sure it was still happening That's awesome. I wish everyone made sure of their facts. Thanks.
verteu 7mo ago
> I've not seen any evidence of them editing archived pages There is evidence of this in the article you're commenting on.

ndiddy 8mo ago

They did edit archived pages. They temporarily did a find/replace on their archive to replace "Nora Puchreiner" (an alias the site operator uses) with "Jani Patokallio" (the name of the blogger who wrote about archive.today's owner). https://megalodon.jp/2026-0219-1634-10/https://archive.ph:443/LZymb https://megalodon.jp/2026-0219-1634-10/https://archive.ph:44... They also tampered with their archive for a few of the social media sites (Twitter, Instagram, Blogger) by changing the name of the signed in account to Jani Patokallio. https://megalodon.jp/2026-0220-0320-05/https://archive.is:443/search/?q=Jani+Patokallio https://megalodon.jp/2026-0220-0320-05/https://archive.is:44... I think Wikipedia made the right decision, you can't trust an archival service for citations if every time the sysop gets in a row they tamper with their database.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r 8mo ago
This is so ‘early internet beef’ quaint. What next? Are they going to G-line each other?
- behringer 8mo ago
  It it utterly stupid when you consider that the host needed to replace their username with something to conceal their user accounts.
amiga386 8mo ago
Reminds me of https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/reddit-ceo-edits-user-comments_n_5839cf32e4b000af95ee5b68 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/reddit-ceo-edits-user...
- direwolf20 7mo ago
  The Reddit CEO's life isn't in danger from people knowing who he is, to be fair.

thefilmore 8mo ago

It's true. https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/808911640210866176/people-ask-questions-like-why-are-you https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/808911640210866176/people...

daymanstep 8mo ago

I've also noticed archive.today injecting suspicious looking ads into archived pages that originally did not have ads.