I agree absolutely 100%. However that "pretty tall order" is Debian stable. I've been using it since 1998 (hamm) and it hits the nail on the head every time. I

I agree absolutely 100%. However that "pretty tall order" is Debian stable. I've been using it since 1998 (hamm) and it hits the nail on the head every time. I have a machine which has had the same install for nearly 10 years and has survived many a dist-upgrade. What pisses me off about Ubuntu: Absolutely no input allowed from the community - suck it up and piss off. Launchpad which is basically a desert of no action. All the cloud upselling. Amazon integration. Fracturing the entire ecosystem by forcing stuff on people which is ubuntu specific (unity, upstart, bazaar etc). LTS releases which are flakier than a ZX81. Slooooooow (everything happens on glacial timescales). I could go on for a week but I can't be bothered.