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You haven't established that it has saved any lives beyond vague, hand waving anecdotes. What is autodrive? Are you talking about basic autopilot, enhanced aut

by breve 8mo ago

You haven't established that it has saved any lives beyond vague, hand waving anecdotes. What is autodrive? Are you talking about basic autopilot, enhanced autopilot, or full self-driving? They are separate modes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Driving_features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Driving_featur... Which revision of the hardware and software is the "good one"? Remember that Tesla claimed in 2016 that all Teslas in production "have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". But that was, of course, a lie: https://web.archive.org/web/20240730071548/https://tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://web.archive.org/web/20240730071548/https://tesla.com... https://electrek.co/2025/10/22/tesla-changes-all-cars-have-self-driving-hardware-wording-as-hw3-lawsuits-loom/ https://electrek.co/2025/10/22/tesla-changes-all-cars-have-s... What Tesla used to claim was "full autonomy" is now called "Full Self-Driving (supervised)", whatever that's supposed to mean. How many times has "Full Self-Driving (supervised)" gone dangerously wrong but was stopped? How many times was supervision not enough: https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers-off-road-flips-car-scary-crash-driver-couldnt-prevent/ https://electrek.co/2025/05/23/tesla-full-self-driving-veers... Show me some concrete numbers to back your claims. If you can't do that then I think you've fallen victim to Tesla's dishonest marketing.

WalterBright 8mo ago
googling "how many lives has tesla autopilot saved?" produces: It is impossible to determine the exact number of lives saved by Tesla Autopilot, as "avoided accidents" are difficult to quantify, but Tesla reports that its vehicles with Autopilot engaged are significantly safer than the U.S. average, with one crash recorded for every 6.69 million miles driven in Q2 2025. Conversely, independent trackers have identified over 65 deaths involving Autopilot or FSD as of October 2025. Key Safety Data and Context: Safety Claim: Tesla's Q3 2025 Safety Report indicates that Autopilot technology results in an accident frequency nine times lower than the US national average. Fatalities: Data compiled by TeslaDeaths.com reported 65 fatalities linked to Autopilot through October 2025, with federal investigators having verified dozens of these cases. Comparison: As of Q2 2025, Tesla recorded one crash for every 6.69 million miles with Autopilot, compared to 1.26 million miles without it, and a U.S. national average of one crash every 702,000 miles.
- breve 8mo ago
  > It is impossible to determine the exact number of lives saved by Tesla Autopilot, as "avoided accidents" are difficult to quantify Then you agree your claims have no merit. Don't be suckered by advertising.
  - WalterBright 8mo ago
    I mentioned that upthread. But there's strong related evidence: "Tesla recorded one crash for every 6.69 million miles with Autopilot, compared to 1.26 million miles without it"
    - breve 8mo ago
      Dude. That's not evidence, that's advertising. You're taking at face value a claim made by a company that has lied continuously for over a decade about the self-driving capabilities of their cars: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono... Remember how there were supposed to be 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil... Lying is part of the company culture at Tesla. They even lie about dumb things there's simply no need to lie about, but they go ahead and lie anyway: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE It's not rational to swallow Tesla's lies hook, line, and sinker. If you can't produce independent verification of Tesla's claims then there's nothing to talk about.

by breve 8mo ago

WalterBright 8mo ago

googling "how many lives has tesla autopilot saved?" produces: It is impossible to determine the exact number of lives saved by Tesla Autopilot, as "avoided accidents" are difficult to quantify, but Tesla reports that its vehicles with Autopilot engaged are significantly safer than the U.S. average, with one crash recorded for every 6.69 million miles driven in Q2 2025. Conversely, independent trackers have identified over 65 deaths involving Autopilot or FSD as of October 2025. Key Safety Data and Context: Safety Claim: Tesla's Q3 2025 Safety Report indicates that Autopilot technology results in an accident frequency nine times lower than the US national average. Fatalities: Data compiled by TeslaDeaths.com reported 65 fatalities linked to Autopilot through October 2025, with federal investigators having verified dozens of these cases. Comparison: As of Q2 2025, Tesla recorded one crash for every 6.69 million miles with Autopilot, compared to 1.26 million miles without it, and a U.S. national average of one crash every 702,000 miles.

breve 8mo ago
> It is impossible to determine the exact number of lives saved by Tesla Autopilot, as "avoided accidents" are difficult to quantify Then you agree your claims have no merit. Don't be suckered by advertising.
- WalterBright 8mo ago
  I mentioned that upthread. But there's strong related evidence: "Tesla recorded one crash for every 6.69 million miles with Autopilot, compared to 1.26 million miles without it"
  - breve 8mo ago
    Dude. That's not evidence, that's advertising. You're taking at face value a claim made by a company that has lied continuously for over a decade about the self-driving capabilities of their cars: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono... Remember how there were supposed to be 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil... Lying is part of the company culture at Tesla. They even lie about dumb things there's simply no need to lie about, but they go ahead and lie anyway: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE It's not rational to swallow Tesla's lies hook, line, and sinker. If you can't produce independent verification of Tesla's claims then there's nothing to talk about.