3 ms·

> self driving software is already ~10x safer than a human. This is, technically speaking, pure bullshit. You have no proof because none exists.

joshfraser 8mo ago
Sorry, 8x not 10x https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-releases-new-fsd-safety-stats-after-crossing-8-2-billion-miles-driven/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-releases-new-fsd-safe...
- sonofhans 8mo ago
  You … can’t be serious, can you? Do you really think these statistics — even taken at face value — mean that self-driving software is “better than humans”? This article is comparing miles with FSD engaged vs miles driven by humans. You do realize that those are driven under different conditions, yes? That FSD is engaged only for the easy stuff?
- sonofhans 8mo ago
  Also, you say “self driving software” but you’re linking to a Tesla press release. Do you think Tesla currently has the best self driving software? It seems to me that Waymo and Mercedes are way ahead, both of them putting their money where their mouth is insurance-wise, and using better tech. Yet neither Waymo nor Mercedes would claim their tech is anywhere near as good as a human.
  - joshfraser 8mo ago
    They do. https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ "90% fewer serious injury crashes for Waymo vs humans" I said "self-driving software" because I was trying to avoid eliciting a knee-jerk reaction from all you Elon haters.
IAmBroom 8mo ago
I strongly believe the data will support this claim, and strongly support your assertion that it is not yet documented. In general, if not necessarily data from a company guided by a narcissist man-baby.
- joshfraser 8mo ago
  It's wild to see how much people allow their dislike for Elon to impact their critical thinking skills. There aren't some mysterious or unknowable stats. They're being constantly collected and shared with regulators and the general public alike. https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety

joshfraser 8mo ago

Sorry, 8x not 10x https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-releases-new-fsd-safety-stats-after-crossing-8-2-billion-miles-driven/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-releases-new-fsd-safe...

sonofhans 8mo ago
You … can’t be serious, can you? Do you really think these statistics — even taken at face value — mean that self-driving software is “better than humans”? This article is comparing miles with FSD engaged vs miles driven by humans. You do realize that those are driven under different conditions, yes? That FSD is engaged only for the easy stuff?
sonofhans 8mo ago
Also, you say “self driving software” but you’re linking to a Tesla press release. Do you think Tesla currently has the best self driving software? It seems to me that Waymo and Mercedes are way ahead, both of them putting their money where their mouth is insurance-wise, and using better tech. Yet neither Waymo nor Mercedes would claim their tech is anywhere near as good as a human.
- joshfraser 8mo ago
  They do. https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ "90% fewer serious injury crashes for Waymo vs humans" I said "self-driving software" because I was trying to avoid eliciting a knee-jerk reaction from all you Elon haters.

IAmBroom 8mo ago

I strongly believe the data will support this claim, and strongly support your assertion that it is not yet documented. In general, if not necessarily data from a company guided by a narcissist man-baby.

joshfraser 8mo ago
It's wild to see how much people allow their dislike for Elon to impact their critical thinking skills. There aren't some mysterious or unknowable stats. They're being constantly collected and shared with regulators and the general public alike. https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety