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Yeah for historical links it makes sense to fall back on IAs existing archives, but going forward Wikipedia could take their own snapshots of cited pages and su
by jsheard 8mo ago
Yeah for historical links it makes sense to fall back on IAs existing archives, but going forward Wikipedia could take their own snapshots of cited pages and substitute them in if/when the original rots. It would be more reliable than hoping IA grabbed it.
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoNot opposed, Wikimedia tech folks are very accessible in my experience, ask them to make a GET or POST to https://web.archive.org/save https://web.archive.org/save whenever a link is added via the Wiki editing mechanism. Easy peasy. Example CLI tools are https://github.com/palewire/savepagenow https://github.com/palewire/savepagenow and https://github.com/akamhy/waybackpy https://github.com/akamhy/waybackpy Shortcut is to consume the Wikimedia changelog firehose and make these http requests yourself, performing a CDX lookup request to see if a recent snapshot was already taken before issuing a capture request (to be polite to the capture worker queue).
- jsheard 8mo agoI didn't know you can just ask IA to grab a page before their crawler gets to it. In that case yeah it would make sense for Wikipedia to ping them automatically.
- extraduder_ire 8mo agoThere's a /save/<url> endpoint that archives the page you point it at. You can see a text box for it on the right, if you go on the waybackmachine's homepage. I used it yesterday.
- RupertSalt 8mo agoSpammers and pirates just got super excited at that plan!
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoThere are various systems in place to defend against them, I recommend against this, poor form against a public good is not welcome.
- ferngodfather 8mo agoWhy wouldn't Wikipedia just capture and host this themselves? Surely it makes more sense to DIY than to rely on a third party.
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- huslage 8mo agoWhy would they need to own the archive at all? The archive.org infrastructure is built to do this work already. It's outside of WMF's remit to internally archive all of the data it has links to.
- Gander5739 8mo agoThis already happens. Every link added to Wikipedia is automatically archived on the wayback machine.
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- RupertSalt 8mo ago[citation needed]
- Gander5739 8mo agoIronic, I know. I couldn't find where I originally heard this years ago, but the InternetArchiveBot page linked above says "InternetArchiveBot monitors every Wikimedia wiki for new outgoing links" which is probably referring to what I said.