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I think your analysis is interesting but I would argue it has more to do with status than money.

by zoogeny 8mo ago

selridge 8mo ago
They are both intertwined, often strategically. Bourdieu’s book Distinction is all about how (and when in life) status and money can buy taste.
- zoogeny 8mo ago
  Just skimming the Wikipedia article [1] and it is appears Bourdieu's argument is bit more nuanced than status and money. It is a bit laden with Marxist jargon, but at least the abstract seems to place the heavy burden on "cultural capital" which is a more precise term than what I chose (status) but close enough to my meaning. Whether or not economic capital is actually transferrable to cultural capital seems to be another debate, but as the old saying goes "money can't buy taste". In fact, a newly rich lower class person marrying a contemporarily poor higher class person seems more likely. As the abstract states: "Because persons are taught their cultural tastes in childhood, a person's taste in culture is internalized to their personality, and identify his or her origin in a given social class, which might or might not impede upward social mobility." Money can't rebuild the personality that is internalized in youth, but marriage might give your kids a shot. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book) edit: also to add, the relationship between these is the underlying theme of The Great Gatsby.
  - selridge 8mo ago
    Oh it's a bit laden for you? Was the plot summary on wikipedia taxing? c'mon. Are you really going to tell me "ahem dear sir, I found out that this Mr Bourdieu likes him some nuance!" His most famous book is essentially an article ballooned into a monograph via nuance.
    - zoogeny 8mo ago
      No counter argument? Ad hominin? I was politely saying you were wrong and your attempt to muddy the water with "They are both intertwined" was a poor deflection based on the source you provided. But now I see you are a troll and I was lured. Your source does not support your position.
      - selridge 8mo ago
        You didn't read it, how would you know?
        zoogeny 8mo ago
        I'm happy to wait for any argument you can provide that cultural capital and economic capital are "intertwined, often strategically" instead of bowing to the authority of a source that in abstract clearly argues for the predominance of cultural authority in the constitution of taste. But we aren't here to discuss apparently.

I think your analysis is interesting but I would argue it has more to do with status than money.

by zoogeny 8mo ago

I think your analysis is interesting but I would argue it has more to do with status than money.

They are both intertwined, often strategically. Bourdieu’s book Distinction is all about how (and when in life) status and money can buy taste.

zoogeny 8mo ago
Just skimming the Wikipedia article [1] and it is appears Bourdieu's argument is bit more nuanced than status and money. It is a bit laden with Marxist jargon, but at least the abstract seems to place the heavy burden on "cultural capital" which is a more precise term than what I chose (status) but close enough to my meaning. Whether or not economic capital is actually transferrable to cultural capital seems to be another debate, but as the old saying goes "money can't buy taste". In fact, a newly rich lower class person marrying a contemporarily poor higher class person seems more likely. As the abstract states: "Because persons are taught their cultural tastes in childhood, a person's taste in culture is internalized to their personality, and identify his or her origin in a given social class, which might or might not impede upward social mobility." Money can't rebuild the personality that is internalized in youth, but marriage might give your kids a shot. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book) edit: also to add, the relationship between these is the underlying theme of The Great Gatsby.
- selridge 8mo ago
  Oh it's a bit laden for you? Was the plot summary on wikipedia taxing? c'mon. Are you really going to tell me "ahem dear sir, I found out that this Mr Bourdieu likes him some nuance!" His most famous book is essentially an article ballooned into a monograph via nuance.
  - zoogeny 8mo ago
    No counter argument? Ad hominin? I was politely saying you were wrong and your attempt to muddy the water with "They are both intertwined" was a poor deflection based on the source you provided. But now I see you are a troll and I was lured. Your source does not support your position.
    - selridge 8mo ago
      You didn't read it, how would you know?
      - zoogeny 8mo ago
        I'm happy to wait for any argument you can provide that cultural capital and economic capital are "intertwined, often strategically" instead of bowing to the authority of a source that in abstract clearly argues for the predominance of cultural authority in the constitution of taste. But we aren't here to discuss apparently.