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"Dvorak, with a larger support failed." If by failed you mean widespread adoption. But I have been using Dvorak since 1999 on a variety of platforms without a

"Dvorak, with a larger support failed." If by failed you mean widespread adoption. But I have been using Dvorak since 1999 on a variety of platforms without a problem. It's a personal success for me. "the trouble it is for them to manage different keyboard layouts in their head. I wonder if that's the same for dvorak layout users." It's only on extremely rare cases that I've been forced to use QWERTY (such as at a public library) and when doing so, it hasn't been hard. So I don't have to manage different layouts in my head. I only use Dvorak, and my hardware and software supports it. That said, I don't do any heavy typing on an iPad...

stinky613 14y ago
That's great that it works for you, but 'widespread adoption'? Really? If you were to take a random sample of 100 computer users how many do you seriously think have adopted Dvorak?
- roryokane 14y ago
  I think you misunderstand techiferous. This is what he said: > “Dvorak […] failed.” If by failed you mean widespread adoption. But […] it’s a personal success for me. I think by that, he meant, “yes, I agree that Dvorak failed, if ‘failed’ means not having widespread adoption. But I don’t agree with that definition of failure. Dvorak is actually not a failure, because I have used it successfully personally.”
- tome 14y ago
  techiferous means it failed to get widespread adoption but succeeded for him personally. In fact my story is remarkably similar. I adopted Dvorak around 1999 and have had no problems using it since. If I use a computer long-term I change the keyboard layout (but not the hardware). If I use a computer short-term I hunt and peck. For me personally it's been very successful.
  - stinky613 14y ago
    Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you. Personally I don't see any keyboard layout displacing QWERTY. It's so entrenched in hardware, software, and people's minds. I think, if anything, it's more likely that voice recognition and things like Swype will displace traditional QWERTY typing. I can barely get family and friends to keep their phone or computer up to date despite it only taking a click here or there. A new keyboard layout? I may as well ask them to learn high level calculus. Even if we start by trying to teach an alternative layout to young children I just don't see it catching on.
- MTGandP 14y ago
  IIRC, Dvorak has about 500,000 users worldwide.
  - stinky613 14y ago
    Okay. If that's just food for thought, fine, but if that's an argument for widespread adoption it falls pretty short. In 2011 35% of the world's population were internet users according to a quick wikipedia reference source [1]. That's 2.45 billion people. Taking the 500,000 Dvorak users into account yields 1 Dvorak user out of every 4900 internet users. I realize these are all kind of soft numbers we're throwing around, but I feel my point stands. [1] FWIW, http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/facts/2011/material/ICTFactsFigures2011.pdf http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/facts/2011/material/ICTFactsFig...

stinky613 14y ago

That's great that it works for you, but 'widespread adoption'? Really? If you were to take a random sample of 100 computer users how many do you seriously think have adopted Dvorak?

roryokane 14y ago
I think you misunderstand techiferous. This is what he said: > “Dvorak […] failed.” If by failed you mean widespread adoption. But […] it’s a personal success for me. I think by that, he meant, “yes, I agree that Dvorak failed, if ‘failed’ means not having widespread adoption. But I don’t agree with that definition of failure. Dvorak is actually not a failure, because I have used it successfully personally.”
tome 14y ago
techiferous means it failed to get widespread adoption but succeeded for him personally. In fact my story is remarkably similar. I adopted Dvorak around 1999 and have had no problems using it since. If I use a computer long-term I change the keyboard layout (but not the hardware). If I use a computer short-term I hunt and peck. For me personally it's been very successful.
- stinky613 14y ago
  Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you. Personally I don't see any keyboard layout displacing QWERTY. It's so entrenched in hardware, software, and people's minds. I think, if anything, it's more likely that voice recognition and things like Swype will displace traditional QWERTY typing. I can barely get family and friends to keep their phone or computer up to date despite it only taking a click here or there. A new keyboard layout? I may as well ask them to learn high level calculus. Even if we start by trying to teach an alternative layout to young children I just don't see it catching on.
MTGandP 14y ago
IIRC, Dvorak has about 500,000 users worldwide.
- stinky613 14y ago
  Okay. If that's just food for thought, fine, but if that's an argument for widespread adoption it falls pretty short. In 2011 35% of the world's population were internet users according to a quick wikipedia reference source [1]. That's 2.45 billion people. Taking the 500,000 Dvorak users into account yields 1 Dvorak user out of every 4900 internet users. I realize these are all kind of soft numbers we're throwing around, but I feel my point stands. [1] FWIW, http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/facts/2011/material/ICTFactsFigures2011.pdf http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/facts/2011/material/ICTFactsFig...