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By which metrics has Tesla been left in the dust wrt autonomous driving? Right now they are the only brand where you can buy a car and have it do basically 90%

By which metrics has Tesla been left in the dust wrt autonomous driving? Right now they are the only brand where you can buy a car and have it do basically 90% (or sometimes 100%) of your daily driving. Sure, it's supervised, but the alternatives are literally extremely geogated taxis

bigyabai 8mo ago
It's not free, is it? You buy the car, subscribe to their arbitrarily-priced subscription service, and then it does 90% of your driving. That's like paying for a "self-juicing juicer" that only works with proprietary juice packages sold through an overpriced subscription. Edit: Mostly a criticism. I have no bone to pick with Elon, but subscription slopware is the reason why Chinese EVs are more desirable to average Joes like me.
- Almondsetat 8mo ago
  This is a goalpost move
- mr_00ff00 8mo ago
  You could argue though Tesla isn’t targeting the average Joe, since they basically still haven’t made a affordable EV that they have mentioned they are working on (I think the new affordable cyber truck is still above the 40k promise, and they hinted the price will likely rise). For luxury car owners or people who want the statement, subscriptions are good way to capture additional payment. Since if customers wanted to pick the cheapest option, they would have already picked something else.
WarmWash 8mo ago
Tesla has a level 3 system that it's willing to gamble on not needing intervention for a handful of miles for a handful of Tesla fanboys. It's very telling that their "level 4" robotaxis are basically unicorns and only exist (existed? it's not clear they are even available anymore) in a single neighborhood subsection of the level 3 robotaxis full area in Austin. Waymo on the other hand has a level 4 system, and has for many years, in many cities, with large service areas. Tesla is unquestionably in the dust here, and the delusional, er, faithful are holding out for this mythical switch flip where Elon snaps his fingers and every Tesla turns into a level 4 robotaxi (despite the compute power in these cars being on the level of a GTX 5090, and the robotaxis having custom hardware loadouts)
- Almondsetat 8mo ago
  I don't understand the point of your reply. Waymo is geofenced taxis. You cannot buy a Waymo. It cannot drive basically wherever you want. Teslas mostly can. So, again, how is Tesla the one left in the dust?
  - WarmWash 8mo ago
    Yes, Tesla leads on level 3 driving. If you want to call this "autonomous" well then we are arguing semantics. But I think colloquially, autonomous means "no human".
paxys 8mo ago
> By which metrics has Tesla been left in the dust wrt autonomous driving By the fact that they don't have autonomous driving. And this very judgement demonstrates that. If you have to keep your full attention on the road at all times and constantly look out for the 10% case where the autopilot may spectacularly fail, it instantly turns off the vast majority of prospective users. Funny enough the tech that Musk's tweets and the Tesla hype machine has been promising for the last decade is actually on the streets today. It's just being rolled out by Waymo.

bigyabai 8mo ago

It's not free, is it? You buy the car, subscribe to their arbitrarily-priced subscription service, and then it does 90% of your driving. That's like paying for a "self-juicing juicer" that only works with proprietary juice packages sold through an overpriced subscription. Edit: Mostly a criticism. I have no bone to pick with Elon, but subscription slopware is the reason why Chinese EVs are more desirable to average Joes like me.

Almondsetat 8mo ago
This is a goalpost move
mr_00ff00 8mo ago
You could argue though Tesla isn’t targeting the average Joe, since they basically still haven’t made a affordable EV that they have mentioned they are working on (I think the new affordable cyber truck is still above the 40k promise, and they hinted the price will likely rise). For luxury car owners or people who want the statement, subscriptions are good way to capture additional payment. Since if customers wanted to pick the cheapest option, they would have already picked something else.

WarmWash 8mo ago

Tesla has a level 3 system that it's willing to gamble on not needing intervention for a handful of miles for a handful of Tesla fanboys. It's very telling that their "level 4" robotaxis are basically unicorns and only exist (existed? it's not clear they are even available anymore) in a single neighborhood subsection of the level 3 robotaxis full area in Austin. Waymo on the other hand has a level 4 system, and has for many years, in many cities, with large service areas. Tesla is unquestionably in the dust here, and the delusional, er, faithful are holding out for this mythical switch flip where Elon snaps his fingers and every Tesla turns into a level 4 robotaxi (despite the compute power in these cars being on the level of a GTX 5090, and the robotaxis having custom hardware loadouts)

Almondsetat 8mo ago
I don't understand the point of your reply. Waymo is geofenced taxis. You cannot buy a Waymo. It cannot drive basically wherever you want. Teslas mostly can. So, again, how is Tesla the one left in the dust?
- WarmWash 8mo ago
  Yes, Tesla leads on level 3 driving. If you want to call this "autonomous" well then we are arguing semantics. But I think colloquially, autonomous means "no human".

paxys 8mo ago

> By which metrics has Tesla been left in the dust wrt autonomous driving By the fact that they don't have autonomous driving. And this very judgement demonstrates that. If you have to keep your full attention on the road at all times and constantly look out for the 10% case where the autopilot may spectacularly fail, it instantly turns off the vast majority of prospective users. Funny enough the tech that Musk's tweets and the Tesla hype machine has been promising for the last decade is actually on the streets today. It's just being rolled out by Waymo.