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There's legit dashcam video showing Autopilot preventing severe crashes. Go on YouTube instead of balking. Here's a few to get your algorithm working: https://

by 1970-01-01 8mo ago

There's legit dashcam video showing Autopilot preventing severe crashes. Go on YouTube instead of balking. Here's a few to get your algorithm working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3K410O_9Nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3K410O_9Nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6SplEn4hQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6SplEn4hQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcfgIltPyOA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcfgIltPyOA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2N8f3nEYc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2N8f3nEYc

palmotea 8mo ago
> There's legit dashcam video showing Autopilot preventing severe crashes. Go on YouTube instead of balking. Here's a few to get your algorithm working: So? I just watched those. They don't prove anything about "lives [that] have been saved by the autopilot." They all look like scenarios a human driver could handle (and *I, personally have handled situations similar to some of those). If autopilot is saving lives, you have to show, statistically, it's better than human drivers in comparable conditions. Also the last one appears to be of a Tesla fanboy who had just left a Tesla shareholder meeting, and seems pretty biased. I'd say his Cybertruck actually reacted pretty late to the danger. It was pretty obvious from the dashcam that something was wrong several seconds before the car reacted to it at the last second.
- 1970-01-01 8mo ago
  The last link is literally a man stating he could not handle the situation without FSD driving him. You're experiencing cognitive dissonance with the evidence.
  - palmotea 8mo ago
    > The last link is literally a man stating he could not handle the situation without FSD driving him. You're experiencing cognitive dissonance with the evidence. And I have doubts about that man's reliability.
- ethmarks 8mo ago
  I can't speak for Tesla's FSD specifically, but Waymo did a study on the collision rate of their autonomous cars compared to human drivers: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/. They found that Waymos get into about 81% fewer crashes per mile. Compared to a statistical human driver, Waymo prevented around 411 collisions that would have resulted in any injury, and 27 collisions that would have resulted in serious injury or death. It seems like for Waymo specifically, self-driving cars are demonstrably safer than human drivers. Not sure if that generalizes to Tesla FSD, though.
  - palmotea 8mo ago
    > I can't speak for Tesla's FSD specifically, but Waymo did a study on the collision rate of their autonomous cars compared to human drivers: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/. They found that Waymos get into about 81% fewer crashes per mile. I think that's true. Though I recall that Waymo limits their cars to safer and more easily handled conditions, which is totally the right thing to do, but it probably means that statistic needs an asterisk. > Not sure if that generalizes to Tesla FSD, though. I don't think it does. They're two totally different systems.

palmotea 8mo ago

> There's legit dashcam video showing Autopilot preventing severe crashes. Go on YouTube instead of balking. Here's a few to get your algorithm working: So? I just watched those. They don't prove anything about "lives [that] have been saved by the autopilot." They all look like scenarios a human driver could handle (and *I, personally have handled situations similar to some of those). If autopilot is saving lives, you have to show, statistically, it's better than human drivers in comparable conditions. Also the last one appears to be of a Tesla fanboy who had just left a Tesla shareholder meeting, and seems pretty biased. I'd say his Cybertruck actually reacted pretty late to the danger. It was pretty obvious from the dashcam that something was wrong several seconds before the car reacted to it at the last second.

1970-01-01 8mo ago
The last link is literally a man stating he could not handle the situation without FSD driving him. You're experiencing cognitive dissonance with the evidence.
- palmotea 8mo ago
  > The last link is literally a man stating he could not handle the situation without FSD driving him. You're experiencing cognitive dissonance with the evidence. And I have doubts about that man's reliability.
ethmarks 8mo ago
I can't speak for Tesla's FSD specifically, but Waymo did a study on the collision rate of their autonomous cars compared to human drivers: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/. They found that Waymos get into about 81% fewer crashes per mile. Compared to a statistical human driver, Waymo prevented around 411 collisions that would have resulted in any injury, and 27 collisions that would have resulted in serious injury or death. It seems like for Waymo specifically, self-driving cars are demonstrably safer than human drivers. Not sure if that generalizes to Tesla FSD, though.
- palmotea 8mo ago
  > I can't speak for Tesla's FSD specifically, but Waymo did a study on the collision rate of their autonomous cars compared to human drivers: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/. They found that Waymos get into about 81% fewer crashes per mile. I think that's true. Though I recall that Waymo limits their cars to safer and more easily handled conditions, which is totally the right thing to do, but it probably means that statistic needs an asterisk. > Not sure if that generalizes to Tesla FSD, though. I don't think it does. They're two totally different systems.