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How about this - The Workman Keyboard Layout http://viralintrospection.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/a-different-philosophy-in-designing-keyboard-layouts/ http://vir

by dsego 14y ago

How about this - The Workman Keyboard Layout http://viralintrospection.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/a-different-philosophy-in-designing-keyboard-layouts/ http://viralintrospection.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/a-differe... But the layout is just one of the problems. The key staggering is also not very ergonomic. There are two cool keyboards featuring symmetric key positioning: - Truly ergonomic keyboard http://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php http://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php - Type matrix http://typematrix.com http://typematrix.com

mistercow 14y ago
Out of curiosity, do you have any references to support non-staggered keys are superior? I ask because (100 - ε)% of claims about ergonomics are completely unsupported by scientific research.
- blackRust 14y ago
  (100 - ε)% I like this very much. Another more accurate description that comes to mind is describing where you live: CountryA XOR CountryB
- dsego 14y ago
  Not really. But you can take a look at Maltron keyboards, which are non-staggered and also curved. From what I can find on the web it seems that they have done some research.
  - MTGandP 14y ago
    The [Kinesis](http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) Advantage is a cheaper alternative to Maltron that follows the same design pattern. It's the keyboard I use, and it's definitely more comfortable than a typical staggered keyboard, or even a simpler ergonomic keyboard.
gokfar 14y ago
- ErgoDox: split, non-staggered, programmable, mechanical, all-around awesome. http://ergodox.org/ http://ergodox.org/ It should roll around before the end of the year, group buy happens at http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.0 http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.0 As for layout, I suggest Colemak with a custom alt layer such as http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5001#p5001 http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5001#p5001
mifrai 14y ago
I personally don't suggest the truly ergonomic. While it's well designed from the outset, the underpinnings are a bit lacking. The existing firmware is buggy and has issues with Mac; and the programmable software has been promised for a while now but was never delivered. To boot, the company's support is nearly non-existent, except for - thankfully - their return process. As mentioned by gokfar, I really look forward to the ergodox group buy
MTGandP 14y ago
Author of The Keyboard Layout Project here. I'm familiar with Workman; it's a reasonably strong attempt, but I think it has a number of problems and fails to perform as well as Colemak or my own layouts. If you compare Workman and MTGAP 3.14 (shown [here](http://mathematicalmulticore.wordpress.com/the-keyboard-layout-project/) http://mathematicalmulticore.wordpress.com/the-keyboard-layo...) using [my keyboard evaluator](https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing), MTGAP 3.14 performs better on every single statistic except finger work. (You can see all of the different statistics explained on [my GitHub page](https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing/blob/master/Fitness https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing/blob/master/Fitness). I didn't post them all here because it takes up too much space, but if you want, you can pull the program and to the comparison yourself.)

by dsego 14y ago

mistercow 14y ago

Out of curiosity, do you have any references to support non-staggered keys are superior? I ask because (100 - ε)% of claims about ergonomics are completely unsupported by scientific research.

blackRust 14y ago
(100 - ε)% I like this very much. Another more accurate description that comes to mind is describing where you live: CountryA XOR CountryB
dsego 14y ago
Not really. But you can take a look at Maltron keyboards, which are non-staggered and also curved. From what I can find on the web it seems that they have done some research.
- MTGandP 14y ago
  The [Kinesis](http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/) Advantage is a cheaper alternative to Maltron that follows the same design pattern. It's the keyboard I use, and it's definitely more comfortable than a typical staggered keyboard, or even a simpler ergonomic keyboard.

gokfar 14y ago

- ErgoDox: split, non-staggered, programmable, mechanical, all-around awesome. http://ergodox.org/ http://ergodox.org/ It should roll around before the end of the year, group buy happens at http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.0 http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.0 As for layout, I suggest Colemak with a custom alt layer such as http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5001#p5001 http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5001#p5001

mifrai 14y ago

I personally don't suggest the truly ergonomic. While it's well designed from the outset, the underpinnings are a bit lacking. The existing firmware is buggy and has issues with Mac; and the programmable software has been promised for a while now but was never delivered. To boot, the company's support is nearly non-existent, except for - thankfully - their return process. As mentioned by gokfar, I really look forward to the ergodox group buy

MTGandP 14y ago

Author of The Keyboard Layout Project here. I'm familiar with Workman; it's a reasonably strong attempt, but I think it has a number of problems and fails to perform as well as Colemak or my own layouts. If you compare Workman and MTGAP 3.14 (shown [here](http://mathematicalmulticore.wordpress.com/the-keyboard-layout-project/) http://mathematicalmulticore.wordpress.com/the-keyboard-layo...) using [my keyboard evaluator](https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing), MTGAP 3.14 performs better on every single statistic except finger work. (You can see all of the different statistics explained on [my GitHub page](https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing/blob/master/Fitness https://github.com/MTGandP/Typing/blob/master/Fitness). I didn't post them all here because it takes up too much space, but if you want, you can pull the program and to the comparison yourself.)