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> "The future won’t reward effort. It’ll reward leverage." (From the Cluely ad) JFC kill me now that is NOT a future I want to live in.

butterbomb 8mo ago
This became clear to me over the last few years. We are quickly returning to a world of entrenched social hierarchy where there are lords and peasants and little room even for social mobility. With the corpse of meritocracy too rotted to deny at this point the elite simply seem to have run out of lies for placating the people. Or, more likely the people are so sickeningly impotent, that’s there’s no need for the lies anymore. The new aristocracy will prevail over liberalism and everything the west lied of being part of the their values for years.
- AtlasBarfed 8mo ago
  That ultimately happens from entrenched geopolitical situations as well. However, I think we are entering an age of geopolitical chaos. And that will be a darwinian struggle of functioning governance systems.
- _DeadFred_ 8mo ago
  The west had been fighting this since it's founding. “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” ― Ulysses S. Grant
  - munificent 8mo ago
    He was wrong about which side patriotism would end up on.
qgin 8mo ago
Has the world ever rewarded effort?
- krapp 8mo ago
  No. Not once in the entire history of the human race, from the time we were dwelling in caves to today, not in any tribe, village, hamlet, city, state, kingdom or nation, in no culture or circumstance, has effort ever been rewarded. It's weird that homo sapiens sapiens has been around for approximately 300,000 years and it's never happened once. Not even once.
  - temp8830 8mo ago
    In the village, the horse works the hardest. But the horse will never be elected as the chief.
    - krapp 8mo ago
      Horses tend not to run for office. Because they're horses.
      - qgin 8mo ago
        Everyone knows someone who worked for years on a project only for it to go nowhere. Pour years into a business that failed. Spend years getting a degree that was useless. Effort might be a part of many people's success stories, but it's not the thing that literally gets rewarded. And conversely, many people get rewarded for things that require relatively little effort. I suppose I should have said that the correlation between effort and reward has never been 1.0 and has often been a lot lower than we like to believe.
      - temp8830 8mo ago
        The same aversion to leadership positions can be seen in most engineers. The difference is: the horse doesn't expect a promotion to happen by itself.
littlexsparkee 8mo ago
you can fudge it for a while...but not forever. i worry about what kind of message this sends young minds though.

butterbomb 8mo ago

This became clear to me over the last few years. We are quickly returning to a world of entrenched social hierarchy where there are lords and peasants and little room even for social mobility. With the corpse of meritocracy too rotted to deny at this point the elite simply seem to have run out of lies for placating the people. Or, more likely the people are so sickeningly impotent, that’s there’s no need for the lies anymore. The new aristocracy will prevail over liberalism and everything the west lied of being part of the their values for years.

AtlasBarfed 8mo ago
That ultimately happens from entrenched geopolitical situations as well. However, I think we are entering an age of geopolitical chaos. And that will be a darwinian struggle of functioning governance systems.
_DeadFred_ 8mo ago
The west had been fighting this since it's founding. “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.” ― Ulysses S. Grant
- munificent 8mo ago
  He was wrong about which side patriotism would end up on.

qgin 8mo ago

Has the world ever rewarded effort?

krapp 8mo ago
No. Not once in the entire history of the human race, from the time we were dwelling in caves to today, not in any tribe, village, hamlet, city, state, kingdom or nation, in no culture or circumstance, has effort ever been rewarded. It's weird that homo sapiens sapiens has been around for approximately 300,000 years and it's never happened once. Not even once.
- temp8830 8mo ago
  In the village, the horse works the hardest. But the horse will never be elected as the chief.
  - krapp 8mo ago
    Horses tend not to run for office. Because they're horses.
    - qgin 8mo ago
      Everyone knows someone who worked for years on a project only for it to go nowhere. Pour years into a business that failed. Spend years getting a degree that was useless. Effort might be a part of many people's success stories, but it's not the thing that literally gets rewarded. And conversely, many people get rewarded for things that require relatively little effort. I suppose I should have said that the correlation between effort and reward has never been 1.0 and has often been a lot lower than we like to believe.
    - temp8830 8mo ago
      The same aversion to leadership positions can be seen in most engineers. The difference is: the horse doesn't expect a promotion to happen by itself.

littlexsparkee 8mo ago

you can fudge it for a while...but not forever. i worry about what kind of message this sends young minds though.