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You don't have to worry about projecting truth. The truth gets through. This is about projecting lies.

backscratches 8mo ago
Truth does not get through.
ben_w 8mo ago
> The truth gets through. It often doesn't at all, drowned amongst lies. And sometimes it takes a lifetime or two. It took Boris Yeltsin, who had just become the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union, actually visiting a random grocery store in Houston before he realised what the truth was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_visit_by_Boris_Yeltsin_to_the_United_States#Grocery_store_visit_in_Houston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_visit_by_Boris_Yeltsin_to...
- snowpid 8mo ago
  most common people were aware of the cliff in economy between capitalist and communist states. Hence we had so many revolution and communism lost. This was a communist apparatchik. Its like showing truth to MAGA people. Most wont accept it.
  - ben_w 8mo ago
    > Its like showing truth to MAGA people. Most wont accept it. Could be. That was the other example I was considering using besides Yeltsin, but I figured it would immediately get met with "no u" responses from those who, as you say, won't accept it. That makes for boring conversations where I learn nothing.
    - snowpid 8mo ago
      see it this way. Yelzin's reaction was very surprising. You can see how other communist burocrats reacted to facts. Even in democratic societies politicians don't change their beliefs so fast (maybe most human?). But luckily we can vote them out so this is not a big problem.
      - realo 8mo ago
        Somehow I feel "we can vote them out" is going to be thoroughly tested in the next US elections. Good luck, Earthlings ...
        snowpid 8mo ago
        I dont live in the US, next election I can vote them out
lucasRW 8mo ago
"The truth gets through." Yeah I agree, we shouldn't be too concerned about Iran, Russia, or China, censoring the internet, the truth gets through.
- realo 8mo ago
  No need to go so far. "Global tariffs all over the spectrum help the US economy! Look at my Beautiful Big Chart !" ... yeah, right.
piekvorst 8mo ago
In other words, a free system is inevitably ruled by hypocrites, while in dictatorships they are rejected that opportunity. This is another variant of “in democracy, people cannot rule because they’re stupid.” Statists, failing to admit their guilt, blame everyone but themselves. And no, the truth does not get through, even after centuries.
jwarden 8mo ago
What if the truth is that something is a lie? Promoting truth and opposing lies are the same thing.
lII1lIlI11ll 8mo ago
> You don't have to worry about projecting truth. The truth gets through. This is about projecting lies. I wouldn't be so sure. Significant part of Russian population believes that they are purging Ukraine of evil nazis, for example. Or that WW2 started on 22 June 1941.
- user205738 8mo ago
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Truth does not get through.

ben_w 8mo ago

> The truth gets through. It often doesn't at all, drowned amongst lies. And sometimes it takes a lifetime or two. It took Boris Yeltsin, who had just become the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union, actually visiting a random grocery store in Houston before he realised what the truth was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_visit_by_Boris_Yeltsin_to_the_United_States#Grocery_store_visit_in_Houston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_visit_by_Boris_Yeltsin_to...

snowpid 8mo ago
most common people were aware of the cliff in economy between capitalist and communist states. Hence we had so many revolution and communism lost. This was a communist apparatchik. Its like showing truth to MAGA people. Most wont accept it.
- ben_w 8mo ago
  > Its like showing truth to MAGA people. Most wont accept it. Could be. That was the other example I was considering using besides Yeltsin, but I figured it would immediately get met with "no u" responses from those who, as you say, won't accept it. That makes for boring conversations where I learn nothing.
  - snowpid 8mo ago
    see it this way. Yelzin's reaction was very surprising. You can see how other communist burocrats reacted to facts. Even in democratic societies politicians don't change their beliefs so fast (maybe most human?). But luckily we can vote them out so this is not a big problem.
    - realo 8mo ago
      Somehow I feel "we can vote them out" is going to be thoroughly tested in the next US elections. Good luck, Earthlings ...
      - snowpid 8mo ago
        I dont live in the US, next election I can vote them out

lucasRW 8mo ago

"The truth gets through." Yeah I agree, we shouldn't be too concerned about Iran, Russia, or China, censoring the internet, the truth gets through.

realo 8mo ago
No need to go so far. "Global tariffs all over the spectrum help the US economy! Look at my Beautiful Big Chart !" ... yeah, right.

piekvorst 8mo ago

In other words, a free system is inevitably ruled by hypocrites, while in dictatorships they are rejected that opportunity. This is another variant of “in democracy, people cannot rule because they’re stupid.” Statists, failing to admit their guilt, blame everyone but themselves. And no, the truth does not get through, even after centuries.

jwarden 8mo ago

What if the truth is that something is a lie? Promoting truth and opposing lies are the same thing.

lII1lIlI11ll 8mo ago

> You don't have to worry about projecting truth. The truth gets through. This is about projecting lies. I wouldn't be so sure. Significant part of Russian population believes that they are purging Ukraine of evil nazis, for example. Or that WW2 started on 22 June 1941.

user205738 8mo ago
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